Have you ever had trouble with the authorities while recording?

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I often read of the UK police overstepping the mark with photographers in public places, in the name of anti-terrorism... How about you? Any of the constabulary ever hassled you? Vigilantes? Yokels with pitchforks?

user49

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i won't rewrite my two... they are here: http://www.musicofsound.co.nz/blog/fx-recording-missions-near-misses

– None – 2010-03-17T06:17:27.630

Wow, this post is over a year old. That's cool. +1 for SSD! – Utopia – 2011-04-01T02:05:43.453

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Very often in public place, I use sticker from the most famous and public radio in France. Everybody think that i'm a journalist, i never had problems, expect people who tried to speak in my microphone...

In public place like airport, the best is to use 2 DPA 4060 or 4061 or... and stick it on your bag near your soulders.

Benoit Tigeot

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Radio France Internationale? – Miles B. – 2010-09-24T04:29:47.177

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Every time I go through airport security with my mbox, I get stopped and they swab it and put it in that explosives testing machine. For about a year and a half, every time they did that, it came up positive for dynamite. The first time this happened, I was put in this holding area and the TSA guys called an FBI agent down who questioned me for like 30 minutes before they let me know. Still have no idea why this happened. The only thing I could think of is that I lived a block away from a building demo in NYC at the time.

I've also been asked to demonstrate the functionality of my Sanken CSS-5 a few times to prove it wasn't a weapon, since it looks quite like a gun with it's pistol grip on.

I've been pulled over before while handing a fishing rod with a mic on it hanging 10 feet off the back of a panel van to get a medium perspective exhaust sound.

I've been chased away from train tracks while trying to use a contact mic to get rail sounds

That's all I can think of right now. I've heard some great stories about authorities before. Hopefully we'll get some good ones here!

Colin Hart

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Had a good laugh... I can just picture the police chasing after you with a mic hanging off your roof. Brilliant. I also get swabbed everytime I have my MKH in my hand luggage, it's been fine so far but I'm going to be recording gun shots this weekend and thus might get questioned next time... Maybe I'll get a Pelican case and check it in. – Andrew Spitz – 2010-03-15T21:25:36.407

Oh, good point about language; I'll be keeping that in mind. – Joe Griffin – 2010-08-04T15:59:42.447

2Great post on RAMPS years ago had someone saying something to the effect of watching one's language when describing what stuff does. e.g.: "At the airport, it's a sensitive microphone, not a SHOTGUN, and it's a fishpole or mic support arm, not a BOOM arm." :-) – NoiseJockey – 2010-03-19T01:09:42.867

You should have pointed the mic back at the police-car and gotten a good medium perspective of a police-car-siren-chase. – Utopia – 2010-08-06T02:07:48.293

@NoiseJockey I had this thought when reading the promo piece of the new AKG microphones: One of them is named "AK47". Can you imagine getting tackled by FBI agents for telling the TSA person after he asks "What's in that black box?" and you answer "Oh, that's just my AK47". They also make a mic named M-80. lol... – Utopia – 2010-08-06T02:09:04.547

@Colin possibly your M-box was down-wind from pyrotechnic explosions on a TV show and got dust on it? – Utopia – 2010-08-06T02:10:24.513

Ah you've tried contact mics on rails! There's a line not thirty seconds down the street and I've been planning to try some contact mics around it. Got any tips? – Miles B. – 2010-09-24T04:32:10.867

@Miles - What kind of contact mic do you have? 1 big tip - find a section of track where it's nailed down. The sections that "float" get flattened by the weight of the train and can make hot transients that aren't pretty. I haven't done a whole lot of contact mics yet on the tracks, but I too live within 30 seconds of a track, so I plan to do more soon. Will report when I do. – Colin Hart – 2010-09-24T07:22:11.353

@Colin That happened to me at SFO once with my magnetic access badge for work. Don't think I'd had it at any weapon shoots, so I'm not sure what that was about. They said that sometimes the scanners are overly sensitive and can misread certain substances as explosives...nice. – Tyler – 2011-04-01T03:25:23.760

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It wasn't me, but when I worked on the Quantum of Solace game, one of our sound designers went to the LA airport (LAX) to get ambiences. He was just walking the streets near the airport, not even on airport grounds, but it didn't take long for airport security to stop him, check his ID, and tell him to move on. That's the reason he was the one recording there and not me :)

Chuck Russom

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@Chuck Back on Tiberium, I recorded a bunch of incoming jet-bys across the street from LAX. I kept expecting a squad car to come by and ask me why I was standing there pointing a pistol-like object at incoming planes, but no one did (even though several cops did pass by). Maybe they're acclimated to film/game recordists by now? – Tyler – 2011-04-01T03:28:39.373

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In the US, only with photography so far. Photogs often carry small cards with the legal guidelines around taking photos (er, sorry, making photos) in public places in case they get hassled. This doesn't win the argument every time, but it helps you from backing down every time. The trick is that often what appears to be a public space isn't, and people's paranoia makes them think that standing on public land but shooting a private building is illegal...it's not. Depending on the context, though, doing so can seem creepy, invasive, or innocent, and you'll probably be asked to stop anyway, legal or not. (Photographing PEOPLE has a whole different set of laws and issues.)

But back to the audio side of things. The other industry that knows a lot about audio laws are radio journalists. A great URL to reference is the "Can We Tape" guide to taping conversations, in person and on the phone. Turns out a lot of it is like photographing people. This suggests that general audio recording will probably follow the legal guidelines of both photography and videography, as a general rule, especially since surreptitious audio picked up by a video camera is often covered under wiretapping and eavesdropping laws. There will be exceptions, and I'm no lawyer, so take my opinion at your own risk. :-) Even in the US, every jurisdiction is different in what laws it has and how they're interpreted.

But we, as sound recordists, mixers, and sound designers, are often recording all sorts of random crap. Our actions are very hard to interpret when compared to photography, and it's our responsibility to be sensitive to this without being bullied by those with ignorance of the law. Showing credentials is important, getting permission on private property is vital. The rest sadly appears legally murky.

NoiseJockey

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in Italy, I'm quite often mistaken for someone from the NHS controlling noise levels...it happened when I was recording sounds from a porhpyry construction site. In 15 minutes I've been quite angrly addressed by: the major, the council first engineer, the council major, everybody screaming that the construction site noise level was not THEIR responsibility. Once explained, the offered my a drink and apologised.

Sara Lenzi - Lorelei

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Haha, I too have often gotten mistaken for someone checking noise levels. – Andrew Spitz – 2010-03-29T22:20:01.300

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At school, while we were studying microphones, one day we had to go out and record some things. So we go to this outdoor promenade thing with fountains and right next to it is a park. We set up two microphones and stands and start recording into an MBOX.
That went fine.. We decided to move and try some new sounds and we had barely got the first stand set up when what looked like a security guard out of uniform and coming back from lunch walks up to us and asks for a permit and says we'd have to go and get one from the main office if we were to stay and record. Thats all he said so we packed up and walked down the block to record somewhere else.

Chris

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I had a wee spot of trouble with local authorities on a video shoot once...the full story is on my blog; rather than re-type it or copy/paste I'll just link to it. Enjoy!

Joe Griffin

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i was once stopped from recording ambience at the train station in York (UK). I was using a hand-held recorder (H4n i think) and being reasonably subtle about it, but station security spotted me and i was told to stop and that I needed a permit. which i'm pretty sure is not true.

analoghell

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