## MKH8000 / MZF8000

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I've put together a new M/S rig of a MKH8040 + MKH30 - still waiting for some of the pieces to arrive. I often hear about the strong low end pickup on the 8040 and know that's there's the MZF8000 filter which has a hard low cut at 16Hz (among other features).

I'm curious, to those who have spent some time with the 8000 series mics, especially in a M/S esteem, do you find the MZF8000 to actually be useful to the point it's very much worth dropping the $500 to get it, or more an "hmm, well, it may be useful but not worth the$500" situation. The MS rig has a stand but is also being prepared as a handheld (Rycote Windshield AE and Connbox 3). It seems these handheld situations are where mentions of the low frequency pickup are noted.

I am totally willing to drop the cash for the filter, yet wanted to see what the consensus was on how useful the MZF8000 actually is. Thanks!

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I have the exact same kit as yours. Honestly, while the MKH80xx series does have a big low end I've never had an issue with it. I even like it actually -- it's easy enough to filter it out if I have to, but for many effects that I record it actually adds a lot of oomph.

Now, if you're planning on mounting the 8040 on a boom or doing a lot of handheld work, that's a different story. Handling noise really can become an issue with that mic. But while I've never personally tried the MZF8000 I know that many production sound mixers and boom ops find it quite useless due to its rather high cut-off frequency and gentle slope -- deally you'd want the opposite to suppress handling noise. There are actually quite a few discussions over at jwsoundgroup if you want to read more about it.

EDIT: Personally, the Rycote that I have has been adequate for handheld work. But generally I do try to lock my rig down.

EDIT2: I've also heard good things about the Schoeps LC60 and LC120, respectively.

The noise I'm referring to is the 16Hz and below - the MZF has a hard-wired low cut at 16Hz, and then it has a selectable rolloff and pad. The question is asking about the 16Hz and below - without the MZF do people find using the 8000 series troublesome in handheld to the point that the filter is a useful investment, or that there's isn't much of a problem. – Stavrosound – 2013-08-31T06:39:26.307

I see. I don't think I ever had any real issues with <16Hz. But even if there were any issues, I don't think the MZF8000 would help that much -- I just don't see how 3dB/oct with a cut-off at 16Hz could be effective at all. But again, I've never tied it myself so I could be completely wrong. In any case, I'm curious to hear about your experiences. – Alex – 2013-09-01T03:20:26.987

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Hi Stavrosound.

Honestly i don't know if infrasound could be a problem with the 8040. I have heard of the handling noises, but that's mostly higher up right? (40>120 hz). I've only had the 8040/mkh30 rig on a stand to compare it with a mkh50/30 combo. I could sent you the resulting wave files (recorded with a sonosax sx-r4)if you're interested.

Regarding the mzf8000 filter option, you could always order that later on right? Or maybe hire a setup with it included?

Cheers!

Thanks! No worries about sending files. When the 8040 arrives I'll be able to test the entire set on my 702 and see where we're at. Since the 30/8040 is my main setup, if the MZF is deemed necessary it would make perfect sense to invest in it. Yes I can get it after the fact. I'll just have to test run everything and see what the status is. My guess is it'll be used more often in a handheld esteem than a stand, but I've got the Manfrotto Nano ready to go when needed. – Stavrosound – 2013-08-31T08:26:12.937

ok, let us know what your experiences are. i'm considering buying a 8040 myself and am curious how it works in your setup (rycote etc.). especially regarding handheld work. BTW I love the Nanos they're great! – Arnoud Traa – 2013-08-31T08:36:14.773

so far the setup has worked great. The Connbox is killer, pretty much decouples the entire M/S array from the suspension. There was some slight meter-visible low end based on the waveforms (definitely not enough to create any intermod distortion), but nothing audible at all - likely so low in freq it'll rolloff in PT anyway. So far, withe the Rycote + Connbox = 2 thumbs up (both handheld and stand-mounted). – Stavrosound – 2013-11-27T05:29:44.393

Good to hear that! Which rycot did you get? The stereo windshield? Do you have the numbers? There are so many options on the site :) – Arnoud Traa – 2013-11-27T10:40:37.093

Went with the Stereo Windshield AE. Honestly, I feel the girth on it is 12-15% excessive, but it does a great job. Wanted to go one length size smaller bit the MKH30 length was the deciding factor. – Stavrosound – 2013-11-27T15:26:26.797

'What is this girth you speak of?' seriously, i don't know what it means... (European over here) – Arnoud Traa – 2013-11-27T20:55:34.417

I refer to the diameter/width – Stavrosound – 2013-11-28T02:46:29.497