Why does Daesh not attack or even threaten to attack Israel?

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How come Daesh/ISIS does not attack Israel, who are supposed to be their worst enemy?

Precision: I'm not asking the reason for the other way around, why isn't Israel attacking IS I'm asking why isn't IS threatening a country like Israel which is on a long term mission to divide the Arab world.

jon

Posted 2016-03-28T19:32:08.430

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This seems like a question asking for opinions. Can you give an example of a hypothetical citable fact which can be a possible answer to this question? – grovkin – 2018-04-03T09:57:40.373

Well @grovkin, if you look at the facts, they will show you that IS our or daesh never tried a single attack against Israel even if they reached the very limit of the Syrian border with this country. Since Israel is supposedly the enemy #1 of such self-proclaimed muslims, why did they never threatened them? I'm not asking for some opinion there but for some real hints. Of course everyone has an opinion but maybe we could go beyond them and try to understand this fact. They are threatening and killing other muslims (the chiites), the Christians but not once their supposed enemy #1... – jon – 2018-04-07T03:08:37.797

Possible duplicate of Why isn’t Israel fighting ISIS?

– James K – 2018-04-28T06:08:05.280

It may be a question of theology. The ultra-conservative form of Sunni Islam Daesh espouses considers Jews and Christians and even atheists "deviant but redeemable" if they convert to Islam. Shia Muslims, Druze and Alawites, OTOH, are considered apostates who knowingly practice a perverted form of Islam and therefore must be killed outright. (The Shia Zaidi sect in Yemen is the only exception and they are simply considered "deviant" and allowed to repent and convert to Daesh-approved Sunni Islam like Jews and Christians.) – Sinewave Surfer – 2018-04-30T01:07:20.490

Nice work citing a Srebrenica denier in your comments. – Andrew Grimm – 2018-04-30T03:49:52.923

5"a country like Israel which is on a long term mission to divide the Arab world" [citation needed] – RedSonja – 2018-05-02T11:00:32.897

@jon, your question is partly unclear, and I think that reflects in the diversity of the answers. DAESH is present military in Irak and Syria, and does not really have a projection capability. Lybia's base shows the difficulty they have in a failed country. The other one is through terrorists cells attacking people in other countries (USA, Belgium, France, Turkey, ...) which type would you expect them to attempt in Israel? – clem steredenn – 2016-03-29T06:20:08.140

4Can you provide citations about Israel being its worst enemy? – Andrew Grimm – 2017-09-11T08:02:17.567

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I think there may be a couple of components to this

  1. Israel has excellent defenses and is very strict regarding points of entry into their territory. It's plausible that DAESH has attempted to penetrate and Israel has detained those individuals as high risk, which they do without trial on a regular basis when it comes to Palestinians.

  2. Israel is not waging open warfare on DAESH at the urging of the US State Department it is rumored. The US is concerned that a coalition revolving around a fight with DAESH would be compromised if the coalition included Israel, hence the lack of air strikes from Israel.

  3. DAESH has warned Israel in December of 2015 that they will inject themselves into Palestine and established an Islamic State to include it.

Citizen

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There are a variety of reasons:

  1. ISIS is quite happy with the status quo of Israel attacking, or at least putting pressure on, their main tactical enemies (Shia block in general, in the personification of Hezbollah). If it wasn't for Israel, Hezbollah could have sent a significantly more overwhelming force from Lebanon into Syria.

  2. ISIS has a finite amount of resources. Attacking Israel simply doesn't amount to rational expenditure of said resources to achieve either their tactical goals (establishment of Caliphate) or strategic goals (Triggering apocalyptic conflict with "Rome"). It may offer minor propaganda and morale value, but not nearly enough compared to attacks in Europe.

  3. As another answer alluded to, inspiring local attackers is difficult for them since they are competing ideologically with other Islamist influences (full spectrum from FATEH on less extreme end, on to HAMAS on to Islamic Jihad) which are all locally entrenched. It's far easier to gain an ISIS follower who isn't already committed to competing - and differently goaled - movement.

user4012

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ISIS seems to have two ways of attacking. In Iraq and Syria, they recruited disaffected Muslims and integrated them into an occupying force that operates locally. Outside of Iraq and Syria, they do not have enough recruits to engage in occupation. They can only encourage terrorists acts. They do this through a combination of internet engagement (e.g. San Bernardino) and direct engagement with people who go to Iraq or Syria to train with them (Paris and Brussels).

I would guess that they haven't (yet) engaged with Muslims in Palestine to occupy territory. And the Israelis already are suspicious of Muslims in Israel. Muslims in Israel don't have the freedom of action that those in the USA and Europe have. This makes it difficult to engage in terrorist attacks.

It's even possible that there have been ISIS attacks in Israel but that they were insufficiently successful to be worth claiming. There is certainly enough conflict there that violent attacks might easily be explained without ISIS. Or ISIS hasn't been able to engage with disaffected Muslims in Israel because they have already joined other groups. Wikipedia lists Hamas as opposing ISIS.

You might also ask why they don't take the occupying forces from Iraq and Syria and go to Israel. The most likely reason is that the areas they occupy aren't that close to Israel. Syria doesn't have much of a border with Israel and Assad's forces are between ISIS and Israel. And of course, if they left their current territory, they might lose it. Perhaps things would change if they defeated Assad.

Brythan

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In a nutshell, Saudi Arabia is a fundamentally theocratic islamic country that is allegedly helping DAESH. They share the same 'ethos' and non-democratic approach to anything, from public executions to women. Saudi Arabia and Israel are friendlies, now it is also stated by the Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyahu 'Israel and Saudi Arabia are allies'.

Chryssa

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3Welcome to Politics.SE! I think there might be an answer here, but I can't quite see it. Are you trying to say that DAESH doesn't attack Israel because Saudi Arabia is an ally to both of them? – Bobson – 2016-03-29T00:35:59.553

There might be a part of the answer in @Chryssa s answer though... – jon – 2016-03-29T01:53:04.367

4But the US is also an ally of Saudi Arabia and has been attacked. – Brythan – 2016-03-29T03:05:25.053

1Now, Saudi Arabia is definitely against ISIS. – Anixx – 2017-09-09T12:14:12.060

1There are other allies to Saudi Arabia that have endured some attacks, which makes your answer illogical. – user5751924 – 2017-09-12T08:54:26.457

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It does.

ISIL stands for "Islamic State of Iraq and Levant". ISIS/ISIL/DAESH inherently claims of territory in the Levant, hence, an entire territory of Israel.
BTW, many Israeli politicians oppose calling Islamic State as "ISIL" specifically for this very reason. They prefer "ISIS" or "DAESH" instead.

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Another thing is that they, for some reason, don't target Israel as their first-order target.

The actual reasoning is usually hard to tell for sure, since we don't know what's on people's mind till they declare something or act accordingly. However, one may speculate that maybe ISIS leaders realize that:

  • Israel Defense Forces are considered powerful enough to defend their country.
    • The type of weapons ISIS possesses (missile launchers, at most) is beyond comparison with Israeli Air Force, Special Ops, or Navy;
    • ISIS militants were mostly trained by their teachers of Ba'ath party of Iraq who, in turn, remember well some brilliant operations carried out in the past by Israeli Air Force. It is possible that the "teachers" taught their "students" to beware;
  • ISIS may need first some stable sources of financing, so capturing oil-rich territory and ability to sell oil may be a priority;

bytebuster

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1But they've openly threatened the US and other big countries which have, needless to say, a powerful army too – jon – 2016-03-28T22:12:32.323

1I'm with @jon. There's nothing about the weapon comparison between ISIS and the IDF that doesn't also apply to ISIS vs the USA. Admittedly, they're closer to Israel, so shorter range weapons are more usable, but that doesn't seem like it'd be a significant factor. – Bobson – 2016-03-29T00:38:13.453

@jon, that's true. As I said, we can't say for sure about the reasons unless they are expressed either by statement or action. The actual answer is the first part of my answer: "The Levant". – bytebuster – 2016-03-29T01:21:22.600

4I'm not seeing evidence that they are actually attacking Israel. – PointlessSpike – 2016-03-29T07:54:31.163

@bytebuster - Even with that, claiming Israel is very different from attacking it. To the best of my knowledge (which admittedly isn't very extensive), they haven't even made direct threats against Israel (or Jordan). – Bobson – 2016-03-29T22:50:19.983

@Bobson, I understand your point. "To threaten", indeed, may have different meanings. and, most certainly, this all may or may not be considered a threat or an attack.

– bytebuster – 2016-03-30T01:33:36.440

1@bytebuster - I stand corrected; that would count as threatening. I hadn't heard about any of that at the time. – Bobson – 2016-03-30T11:15:58.390

Haven't Daesh made public statements about why Israel shouldn't be attacked? – Andrew Grimm – 2017-09-11T08:01:17.900

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DAESH have the ambition to establish a state. The military actions they take is part of that goal (to keep and expand their territory). Considering that Israel is the local military superpower a direct attack would be suicide.

The terrorist actions have the goal of triggering suppression of Muslims in those countries and they think that will make them more willing to help DAESH. So the targets for terrorist attacks will be places with a quite large, but well integrated Muslim population. Israel does not match that.

liftarn

Posted 2016-03-28T19:32:08.430

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8Israel's Muslims are arguably far more integrated than, say, French ones. They have lower unemployment, and they almost universally answer polls that they'd rather be citizens of Israel than PA. I'm quite skeptical of your last assertion. – user4012 – 2016-03-29T16:53:11.227

6... there are Arab muslim parties in Knesset. I don't think there's Muslim party in French Parlament. – user4012 – 2016-03-29T17:07:15.610

1@user4012 is the existence of such parties evidence of integration, or lack thereof? – Andrew Grimm – 2017-09-11T07:58:00.623

3@AndrewGrimm - evidence of 95% integration. As in, they have enough de-facto power AND de-jure rights to have a full fledged party and to elect enough Parlament members to have a faction. (the last 5% is when they don't need a separate party, but in multi-party system that's really unlikely - heck, even Sephardic Jews have their own separate party (Shas)). – user4012 – 2017-09-11T13:37:02.847

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DAESH is still at war in Syria. So they don't have the capabilities (yet) to attack another country. Also knowing that it will be harder to win territory over a well trained and equipped army. I'm interpreting the question as an army kind of attack. Not terrorist attacks, separated in time and place.

If your question is about terrorist attacks (or regardless of type of attack). Then I think the other answers about the influence of hamas, fateh and saudi arabia and the conflict with DAESH could be the reason.

roel

Posted 2016-03-28T19:32:08.430

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3Do you even read the news? so who attacked Brussels then? – None – 2016-03-29T20:08:33.807

I'm from Brussels, and I do read the news. I tought the question was about an army attack. I edited my answer to be more clear. – roel – 2016-03-30T06:58:25.947

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How come Daesh/ISIS does not attack Israel, who are supposed to be their worst enemy?...

I think your analysis is pretty crude - to put it mildly. I'm not a student of middle east politics; however, Michael Jansen at the Jordan Times has this to say on Feb 7, 2018:

Israel is inadvisably but increasingly involved in conflicts raging in its northern and southern neighbours. In the north, Israel has for several years provided aid and comfort to Daesh, Al Qaeda, and other insurgents fighting the Syrian government. This began by offering medical treatment to anti-government fighters and gradually involved ministering to wounded civilians, offering humanitarian aid, and paying fighters' salaries.

Isn't this already surprising? I mean, 'providing aid and comfort to Daesh and Al Qaeda'; they also add:

The following is for Ugoren who didn't bother to read the article but was upset I was quoting an Arabic newspaper.

Nour Samaha, writing on The Intercept website on January 23, revealed that Israel intends to create a "safe zone" by expanding the buffer zone along the occupied Golan Heights into the Syrian provinces of Quneitra and Daraa. Justification for Israel's latest land-grab in Syria is its determination that the Israeli army must not confront the Syrian army, Iranian-backed Shiite militias and Lebanon's Hizbollah fighters along the Golan ceasefire line...

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It is ironic, therefore, that Israel is bombing Daesh in Egypt while supporting Daesh in Syria. Preserving Daesh and allied taqfiris as an "asset" anywhere is a dangerous, cynical game which will have fresh "unintended consequences" for Israel and for its allies in the approving West.

Just from this we can see that the situation is quite a bit more complex that you're supposing it to be.

Mozibur Ullah

Posted 2016-03-28T19:32:08.430

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1You're citing an opinion column as if it was fact. The column doesn't offer any reference to its claims. The article's main claim - that Israel is planning to occupy Syrian territory to create a "safe zone" - didn't realize so far, 3 months after it was made. – ugoren – 2018-04-30T06:53:57.510

@ugoren: I'm quoting a reputable newspaper as a newspaper. I've often quoted Haaretz here without a problem. Could it be that the problem is that it is an Arabic newpaper? In that case shame on you for your prejudice and bias. – Mozibur Ullah – 2018-05-01T22:51:05.487

@ugoren:I do not believe that you are upset that the "column doesn't offer any references for its claims"; nor do I believe that you even read the linked column otherwise you would have noticed:"Nour Samaha, writing on The Intercept website on January 23, revealed that Israel intends to create a "safe zone" by expanding by expanding the buffer zone along the occupied Golan Heights into the Syrian provinces of Quneitra and Daraa". You're a liar. – Mozibur Ullah – 2018-05-01T23:02:25.473

@ugoren: Here's the referenced article in the Intercept by Nour Samaha; it's titled - "Israels safe zone is creeping further into Syria". Are you happy now, or are you even more upset?

– Mozibur Ullah – 2018-05-01T23:04:07.747

@ugoren: By the way do you not understand the meaning of English words like 'plan' or 'intends'? – Mozibur Ullah – 2018-05-01T23:10:39.903

@ugoren: Anyway, you seem to have missed the main point of my post which was to say that the OPs question was 'crude' as crude as your prejudice. Given that the Arabs are a semitic people, I'd call it anti-semitic prejudice, except that of course is only reserved for prejudice against Jews. Do you know an appropriate word ofr Anti-Arab prejudice, does your education extend that far? – Mozibur Ullah – 2018-05-01T23:15:30.930

@ugoren: if you look at the bottom of this article by The Israeli Times - you don't have to read all of it, just skip to the bottom, you'll see the following two lines:"Syrian officials have accused Israel of directly aiding the Islamic State and other rebel groups, a claim Jerusalem vociferously denies."; this is consistent with the claim made in the first paragraph.

– Mozibur Ullah – 2018-05-01T23:20:36.500

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I think It is not because "Israel has excellent defenses"; since if DAESH want to attack or at least threathen Israel they can do it as Hamas did. Hamas is weaker than DAESH, but they did so.
Israel is the worst enemy of Muslims so attacking Israel rise popularity of DAESH. but DAESH does not attack. Why? because:

As Noor says: The ideology DAESH follows, stems from Wahhabism, which was established in Saudi Arabia by the British Government. Saudi Arabia is common friend of both. British Government is father of Israel and grandfather of DAESH.
If DAESH attack Israel then they become an enemy for U.S, U.K, and all E.U, which I think this is not the case now (Just compare "what Russia did against DAESH in Syria" with "what U.S, U.K, and all E.U did against DAESH in Syria and Iraq"). So DAESH Loses probable hidden support of them. Then DAESH Loses Logistics support of Turkey. No need to say: If DAESH become an enemy for U.S, then Saudi Arabia (which is footboy of U.S) can not support them financially.


Updeate:
Here is a statement about creation of DAESH, which I am not sure if this is a fact, but i add to my answer. If I find evidence for validity, I add it; If not I remove the update:

see TRUMP: 'Hillary Clinton created ISIS with Obama'
and this

user 1

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3There is definitely hidden support... – jon – 2016-03-29T13:54:13.063

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DAESH's origins aren't relevant to the question. Additionally the image is not of al-Baghdadi and Trump isn't a good source.

– Bobson – 2016-03-30T11:30:54.587

@Bobson I removed pic. + i dont claim that " Trump is a good source" , as you can see i said I am not sure if this is a fact. + *DAESH's origins Are relevant to the question*, because if DAESH's origins relate to U.S or U.K, then DAESH takes Caution about israel. – user 1 – 2016-03-30T16:51:56.003

2"Israel is the worst enemy of Muslims" - according to whom and what exactly Muslims? Living in Russia and seeing a lot of Muslims around I cannot say so. They are more concerned about Russian Neo-Nazis than Israel. – Anixx – 2017-09-09T12:14:58.873

yes there are local priorities such as what u said, Pakistani may consider India, Yemen may consider Saudi, or... But what i said is overall. according to what? just as u: seeing a lot of Muslims; have a tour in the middle east and talk to people. – user 1 – 2017-09-10T14:15:24.427

Business Insider is not reliable, and Skeptics.SE question does not support your claims. – Andrew Grimm – 2017-09-11T06:26:20.437