What made Nietzsche heroic?



Nietzsche ended Book 3 of The Gay Science with eight striking, and strikingly short, aphoristic questions (from Williams, Cambridge) :

What makes one heroic? -- To approach at the same time one's highest suffering and one's highest hope. [GS 268]

What do you believe in? -- In this: that the weight of all things must be determined anew. [GS 269]

What does your conscience say? -- 'You should become who you are.' [GS 270]

Where lie your greatest dangers? -- In compassion. [GS 271]

What do you love in others? -- My hopes. [GS 272]

Whom do you call bad? -- He who always wants to put people to shame. [GS 273]

What is most human to you? -- To spare someone shame. [GS 274]

What is the seal of having become free? -- No longer to be ashamed before oneself. [GHS 275]

Did Nietzsche consider himself heroic by his own definition, and if so, what were his highest suffering and his highest hope?

Richard Kayser

Posted 2016-08-16T19:16:06.890

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His highest hope was himself; his highest suffering, too, was himself; heroes are noble, but he said 'a noble man is in everybody's way'. – Mozibur Ullah – 2016-08-16T22:40:39.133

@moziburullah Good comment! – Richard Kayser – 2016-08-17T02:29:35.370

@mozubirullah In what sense was Nietzsche his own highest hope? To what end? Similarly, in what sense was Nietzsche himself his own highest suffering? – Richard Kayser – 2016-08-17T20:47:51.410

@jobermark I wonder about your third and fourth sentences. Nietzsche wrote a lot about nobility in positive terms that seemed to apply to himself. Could not his remapping of values include noble values? It's not obvious to me that these would have to be unique as much as they would have to be inversions of the values of Christian morality. – Richard Kayser – 2016-08-17T21:17:04.497

@jobermark Is there an answer to the question somewhere in here? :-) Being new, I don't understand why so many users operate in comment space rather than answer space, especially given that so many of the comments, including yours, provide stimulating answers. Can you enlighten me? – Richard Kayser – 2016-08-19T01:35:26.803

I am moving the long comment into an answer. It is a weak answer, in that it is mainly my own empathic interpretation, and I haven't done the work to base it in the text. Sorry if my deletions leave your comments out of context. (I do this to people all the time.) – None – 2016-08-19T20:17:17.040

@Kayser: good questions, which I'm not equipped to answer - I've only just read TSZ;). However, his highest suffering was a reference to his own mental collapse, and his highest hope was a reference to 'giving birth to a dancing star'. – Mozibur Ullah – 2016-08-20T09:07:45.523



(First of all, at the risk of being a bit catty, to some degree isn't all of Nietzsche, Nietzsche on Nietzsche, especially in "The Gay Science"? Even when he is addressing global issues like the overall development of moral sentiment, or the nature of Greek drama, or how post-Classical music really ought to be, everything is introspection, or his insight is so quirky that his interpretation of otherwise objective facts is really about him.)

As I read "The Gay Science" the most painful problem for him in a lot of places seems to be a wavering commitment to being outside the race and desperately wanting to work an effect upon it from within. (The pain is palpable... unless I am projecting it onto him.)

To put it theoretically, there is an issue in his model of what the herd is, as to whether there is any possible continuity upward from the noble alpha leader of the herd to the independent creator free of human baggage. If there is one, Nietzsche is vying for it. And he hates himself for doing so, since he has gone so far as to say the herd-bond is something that must be overcome. If he gets what he wants, he is theoretically wrong. (His greatest dangers are in compassion.)

He wants a transfiguration of values, but he seeks for such a thing in a natural history: The Genealogy of Morals, and leading forward from there would be choosing to be driven and shaped by social forces so as to be able to capture the intelligence of those around him. (What he loves in others are his own hopes.)

But by his more raw logic a la Beyond Good and Evil, he should more highly value a deeply personal perspective that would uniquely express his distance from those same forces. ('You should become who you are.')

(To address the issue with the word 'nobility': Nobility has a 'peerage', a standard that allows it to be respected in a social context by others who are similarly noble. This definition of heroism is personal and individual. This kind of hero may very well not be noble. He basically cannot be noble if his remapping of values is entirely unique.

So Nietzsche has the Groucho-Marxism problem in reverse: He himself wants to be noble, whether or not he should be by the standards of any peerage he would choose to validate his nobility.)

So there is a constant pain of pursuing the greatest calling he can tolerate, knowing there are theoretically greater challenges, which might even be easier to overcome, but those would not answer to his need. And of course, that pain is there only because of his own self-imposed morality, which may or may not have any real value, if he has to struggle both for and against it.

Those two sides (continuity and jumping forward / nobility and freedom from the good) may very well represent Nietzsche's suffering, and his hope.


Posted 2016-08-16T19:16:06.890


@ jobermark (At the risk of being a bit catty in return, I agree with your comments regarding Nietzsche on Nietzsche. As he said in Beyond Good and Evil (BGE 6, Cambridge), "I have gradually come to realize what every great philosophy so far has been: the confession of faith on the part of its author, and a type of involuntary and unself-conscious memoir; in short, that the moral (or immoral) intentions in every philosophy constitute the true living seed from which the entire plant has always grown. […] There is absolutely nothing impersonal about the philosopher ...") Pondering. – Richard Kayser – 2016-08-20T03:13:44.347

Point is, that makes this a silly way to ask this particular question. – None – 2016-08-20T13:32:21.783

In retrospect, I agree. I’ve edited the question (and in the process deprived some of your remarks of their original context). – Richard Kayser – 2016-08-20T13:54:20.600