'Ser' and 'estar' for location / Uso de "ser" y "estar" para ubicación

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'Ser' and 'estar' for location

The edge-cases of ser and estar still seem to get me. My understanding is that when speaking of a location, I should use estar.

La biblioteca está aquí.

However, a student I am tutoring had a question marked as incorrect for the following:

El partido de baloncesto está en el gimnasio.

saying that it should be

El partido de baloncesto es en el gimnasio.

When I say the two, second sounds correct, but I am unable to give the student a rule to go by.

When should the verb used when describing location be ser and when should it be estar?


Uso de "ser" y "estar" para ubicación

Los casos especiales de "ser" y "estar" todavía parecen superarme. Lo que yo entiendo es que cuando se habla de una ubicación, debería usar "estar".

La biblioteca está aquí.

Sin embargo, un estudiante al que tengo bajo tutoría tenía una pregunta marcada como incorrecta para lo siguiente:

El partido de baloncesto está en el gimnasio.

diciendo que debería ser

El partido de baloncesto es en el gimnasio.

Cuando pruebo a decir ambas, la segunda suena correcta, pero no soy capaz de dar al estudiante una regla a seguir.

¿Cuándo debe utilizarse el verbo "ser" y cuándo el verbo "estar", al describir una ubicación?

snumpy

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fedorqui 2016-11-04T13:16:25.513

I understand the part with the location. However, when I was googling it, I wanted to find out on how to use it with "al lado de" and "cerca de." Therefore, my question remained unanswered. I am a student in seventh grade and I am learning ser and estar. We took a test yesterday and I got an A. However, I still don't understand the difference. ~NadiaNadia 2017-04-27T22:47:49.697

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When you're speaking about the location where an event takes place then the verb "ser" is the one you have to use:

El partido será en el estadio.

El partido estará en el estadio.* (Incorrect)

El concurso de monólogos es en el pabellón número 5.

El concurso de monólogos está en el pabellón número 5.* (Incorrect)

if it's not an event (it's where something or someone is located) then "estar" is the verb:

Los jugadores están en el estadio.

Los jugadores son en el estadio.* (Incorrect)


Cuando hablas del lugar donde una acción ocurre debes usar el verbo ser:

El partido será en el estadio.

El partido estará en el estadio.* (Incorrecto)

El concurso de monólogos es en el pabellón número 5.

El concurso de monólogos está en el pabellón número 5.* (Incorrecto)

Si no es un evento, sino el lugar donde algo o alguien se encuentra, debes usar el verbo estar:

Los jugadores están en el estadio.

Los jugadores son en el estadio.* (Incorrecto)

Javi

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+1 @snumpy remember that this is limited to location. There are more differences associated to both verbs!!Joze 2012-02-10T08:57:40.727

@Joze thanks. I'm familiar with the other differences but had some confusion when it comes to location (being that it can break the standard "essential" and "conditional" rule)snumpy 2012-02-10T13:03:27.763

@Javi thanks. Is there anything besides an event whose location would use ser to describe?snumpy 2012-02-10T13:06:46.730

@snumpy I think that "events taking place" is the only exception to the rule "estar for locations". It's difficult to state that there aren't more exceptions, but at least anything else comes to my mind, so far.Javi 2012-02-10T13:27:16.390

3An easy way to remember this rule for me is that in the case of an event, you can think of the location as an attribute of the event, and attributes use ser rather than estar.Flimzy 2012-02-11T13:26:49.153

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(disclaimer, I'm a native Spanish speaker, so I find it funny that both 'ser' and 'estar' use a single word in some languages)

The point isn't that you sometimes use 'ser' and sometimes use 'estar'. They're two different concepts.

In short, "ser" relates to the very being of something, while "estar" is (usually) a temporary condition. That's why you say "Estoy enfermo" (I'm sick) and "Soy zurdo" (I'm left-handed); one is (hopefully) temporary, while the other is not only permanent, but part of my self-definition.

Usually, for location you use "estar" because at one moment you're at one place but later you can be somewhere else. The place you are is a temporary condition.

Events, on the other hand, usually have their whole existence tied to a single place, so they "are" there until they're no more. But, if it's a mobile event (like a parade, or a voyage), then you can say:

El desfile aún no llega, está muy lejos.

El crucero está aquí, llegó ayer.

But, if your location specification is wide enough to encompass the whole event, you again use "ser":

El desfile será desde este lugar hasta este otro.

Fue un crucero a través del atlántico.

Of course, in these cases it's more common to refer to the moving entities and not the moving event.

Javier

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Good point. The parade is still far away, but when it gets here, it will still be the same parade.Walter Mitty 2016-11-05T12:27:25.483

2when you say "está muy lejos" or "está aquí" you're not saying where the event takes place. You're saying how far it is from where you are, so it's not exactly a location but a distance. Anyway, both "el desfile" and "el crucero" can be interpretated as things that are not events: a group of people and a ship.Juanillo 2012-02-10T08:10:50.223

1@Juanillo: it's hard to find examples of movable events; but the important point is not about locations, distances, events, things, whatever. the real issue is about permanence and definition: if it's an intrinsic part of the being, use "ser" if it's temporary, use "estar"Javier 2012-02-10T18:58:32.467

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I find it is helpful to remember the etymology of estar when talking about location. From http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/estar#Spanish

      From Latin stāre (“stand”), 

This makes cases like, "El banco está al norte," or "San Diego está en California," make sense. The bank is likely in a permanent location, and San Diego is certainly not moving anywhere. This makes the normal temporary/permanent question useless for these types of sentences, but if you think that the bank or city is standing in a location, then the use of estar makes sense.

Unless, of course, you are talking about an event which "takes place" in a certain location. Then it would be ser as other posters have explained quite well.

Rachel

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The reason why you use ser in this context is because it's acting as a lazy stand-in for the verb celebrarse, which means to take place.

If you want to understand the epic existential battle that ser and estar have been fighting for the past five hundred years, you should focus on understanding the difference between the essence of things and their state.

nachocab

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