Is the seeming relation between the sound /n/ and negativity purely coincidental?

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I have noticed that in many languages, words for "no", negative verb forms, etc. often begin with the sound /n/. Although I understand it is by no means universal, is there any relationship between these sounds in otherwise unrelated languages (e.g. English "no", Japanese "-nai", and many more), or is it purely coincidental?

rintaun

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From Online Etymology Dictionary's entry of "un"-

prefix of negation, O.E. un-, from P.Gmc. *un- (cf. O.Fris., O.H.G., Ger. un-, Goth. un-, Du. on-), from PIE *n- (cf. Skt. a-, an- "not," Gk. a-, an-, O.Ir. an-, L. in-), a variant of PIE base *ne- "not" (cf. Avestan na, O.C.S., Lith. ne "not," L. ne "that not," Gk. ne- "not," O.Ir. ni, Corn. ny "not").

So the theory is that the root (possibly *ne-) traces back to the Proto-Indo-European language, the theoretical ancestor of the Indo-European languages (including English, Latin, and the majority of European and Indian languages, with total of 3 billion native speakers), which is why you can observe that it's very common.

That said, Japanese doesn't belong to this group, so possibly it's just a coincidence. Seing from this list of translations of "no" in many languages, I don't observe it being common outside of Indo-European languages.

Louis Rhys

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The book I quoted seems to agree with my observation that it is common. But of course we can't tell exactly how common until we count. I can only say I've seen a lot of (non-IE) languages that use nasals for negation (including negative forms of verbs, etc.).Bozho 2011-09-14T07:34:47.953

1@Timwi: Yes nem was offered as a non-IE language that happens to fit the pattern.hippietrail 2011-09-24T16:35:38.480

Off the top of my head the non-IE languages Hungarian yes is "nem" which works but Korean no is "ne" which fails. But it's kind of interesting to keep an eye on I think. It could well come from ancient onomatopoeia of distaste expressed by nasals?hippietrail 2011-09-14T08:17:53.610

@hippie Korean "ne" means yes, IIRC..Louis Rhys 2011-09-14T08:29:36.500

@Louis Rhys: Yes "ne" does mean "yes" in Korean which is why I said "which fails". Perhaps my terseness didn't make my comment very readable. I try to keep them short and often fail.hippietrail 2011-09-14T08:53:04.807

5I'm not sure anecdotal evidence works well here: modern Greek has (nai) "yes", and all Greek since Homer has ou "not", which may be derived from PIE *wai/ayu, "life force (/eternity)" (v. Cowgill 1960).Cerberus 2011-09-14T11:26:44.393

@Cerberus: the Online Etymology Dictionary entry also cite cognates in other languagesLouis Rhys 2011-09-14T12:25:10.667

@LouisRhys: Yes, I just meant that cases like Hungarian nem and Greek nai are no proof that the language in question doesn't also have a nasal negative somewhere, because many language have several, unrelated negatives. (Cf. Fr. ne/pas, Ger. nein/kein, etc.)Cerberus 2011-09-14T14:53:24.883

Uhm, Hungarian nem does mean no. (Yes is igen.)Timwi 2011-09-14T19:21:20.177

well, it is quite common - not only about the word "no", but for negation in general.Bozho 2011-09-14T07:14:16.847

1@Bozho the English words "no", "not", "deny", "negative" come from the same root. From that translation list and my experience with non IE languages I don't think it's very commonLouis Rhys 2011-09-14T07:32:22.353

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It is not actually the case that /n/ is especially common for negation across language families. Rather the n-negatives are a particular feature of the Indo-European languages, being inherited from PIE and retained in some form in the majority of the daughter languages.

Outside of the Indo-European language family, n-negatives are not especially common. Those that do exist are the result of coincidence.

JSBձոգչ

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You also add a lot more languages with shared cognates to your list when you also consider that the Proto-Tibeto Burman negation is *ma- and the Proto-Sino-Tibetan root was probably also *ma- (James A. Matisoff (2003) Handbook of Proto-Tibeto-Burman. System and philosophy of Sino-Tibeto-Burman Reconstruction. Berkeley, Los Angeles, London: University of California Press.).

There's no explanation for why the PST form should be a nasal and well as the PIE but it accounts for the possible nasal negative in the 500 ST languages.

LaurenG

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3One aspect of this analysis and other like it that has always troubled me is its lack of specificity. Claiming congacy for m- and n- because they are both +nasal seems tenuous. If a protolanguage had t- for negation should we claim congacy for reason that n- and *t- are both +dental? I'm not saying its wrong; I've just struggled with this line of thinking.Mark Beadles 2012-02-06T15:45:48.390

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It is true that nasals (n, m, etc.) are the most frequent option for negation. And while there is an easy explanation for the words for "mother" (which also mostly use nasals, and which follows from the first sounds made by babies), it is not that clear for negation. Here is a hypothesis:

The use of nasal phonemes in the negative in so many languages of the world must in some way be related to to prevailingly nasal character of the grunt.

Bozho

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3It would be nice to see a citation on the claim "the vast majority of languages use nasals for negation." The linked article says /m/ and /n/ are the most frequent but I didn't see any claim about a vast majority.Constantine 2011-09-14T13:20:36.237

Ok, I'll fix the wording nuancesBozho 2011-09-14T13:25:57.603

And I'd like to see an acoustic analysis that shows that grunts are 'prevailingly nasal'--they seem more glottal to me.Gaston Ümlaut 2012-02-06T21:25:58.357

2the book didn't present a convincing proof (not even examples) of the common-ness of nasals for negation (unlike its convincing proof for mama/woman)Louis Rhys 2011-09-14T07:33:21.870

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The concept of common phenomena like appearing of /n/ in many negative particles devised by many languages is not a clear cut. Etymology, Philology and Historical Linguistics all seek to understand the diacronic evolution of languages and aim at describing and understanding why such phenomena might take place in historically unrelated languages. Consider the word "Cave", for instance, that is in English. In Arabic, which is a sematic language, totally unrelated, it is /kaehf/ the vowel is a digraph a (referred to as ash in some textbooks). In French, it is caverne/cavity but also in French it can be Grotto/ pothole (totally unrelated pronunciation), although English and french are quite related historically and developmentally. In Chinese (simplified), however, it is 洞 which is pronounced as /dòng/. A slightly careful inspection of the pronounced version, one can see that /d/ and /k/ are both stops just like grotto which begins with /g/ (voiced velar stop). Similarities and differences of these kinds would need a careful, intensive, cross-linguistic studies to understand the nature of language and how it develops. My own point of view is that the word 'no' is like a safe word that works in many different contexts to stop a danger or to imply negativity. A word like that must take short time to be produced, must be easy to produce, and must be easily discriminated from any other productions. "no" is comprised of two phonemes (i.e. short in length), /n/ is an Alveolar sound which, due to its ease of production, it is a phonetic universal (i.e. no language known to us does not have a /n/ in its phonemic chart), and using a nasal, which is very sonorous in acoustic nature, makes it catchy for the ears. However, this is merely my speculation, although it is a logical one. For more on nature of sounds, you can return to "Elements of acoustic phonetics" by Peter Ladefoged or "Introducing phonology" by David Odden

Moody Hussein

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There are languages without /n/. For example, some languages do not have any nasal sounds at all. Wikipedia lists a few: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nasal_consonant#Lack_of_phonetic_nasals Also, colloquial Samoan apparently has [m] and [ŋ] but not [n]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samoan_language#Phonology

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