What is the difference between the negative forms -ず and -ぬ?



-ず and -ぬ are two alternatives to the negative form -ない / -ません. But I noticed that depending on the word, it's either -ず or -ぬ, although it seems like some words can take both suffixes. Some examples I have encountered:


知らず (lyric in song "touch" by Younha)
わからず (lyric in song "aisuru mono" by Angela Aki)
せず (song title: "yudan sezu ni ikou")
なれず (lyric in song "mirae he" by Kiroro)


気づかぬ (lyric in song "arigatou" by Kokia)
届かぬ (song title: "todokanu omoi")
ならぬ (lyric in song "shunrai" by Yellow Generation)

both -ず and -ぬ

とらず / とらぬ
できず / できぬ

So are there rules for choosing between -ず and -ぬ?


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In the modern form, ず is only used as an adverbial (食べずに出る leave without eating). ぬ can replace ない.

In 文語, the grammar used in writing until the reformations after WWII and still at least partially in many forms of poetry, songs, and very formal documents, the use of ず and ぬ was/is grammatically constrained in a manner no longer present in modern Japanese. ぬ was used with the 連体形 form of a word, meaning that it connected with a following noun (and it still does that).

ず, on the other hand, connected with the 未然形 and was used for negative assertions. It had conjugations, too, but those are really really rare now (ざら、ざり、ざる、ざれ、ざれ).

Just remember this: ず can end a sentence, but ぬ can't; ぬ modifies nouns, but ず doesn't: 知らぬ人、人知らず.

Of course they've also snuck into idioms and 慣用語: 我知らず (despite oneself)、暑さ知らずの所 (a place that knows no heat), 知らぬ顔 (pretend ignorance)、知らぬ存ぜぬで押し通す (persist in asserting one's innocence). (新和英大辞典)

Nate Glenn

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When you say "used as an adverbial" do you mean it must always come after a "に" ? – Pacerier – 2012-03-23T08:31:48.390

Generally, yes. に occurs very commonly with it (before, not after). – Nate Glenn – 2013-01-30T04:30:51.327

Re: conjugations, those are essentially contractions of ず + conjugations of ある. This is similar to what appear to be conjugated forms of adjectives, such as よからず (from よく + あらず) or よかろう (from よく + あろう), where the following ある fused with the preceding mora. – Eiríkr Útlendi – 2014-08-11T01:06:18.410

1[It had conjugations, too, but those are really really rare now (ざら、ざり、ざる、ざれ、ざれ).]

The verb pattern ~ざるを得ない is still quite common.

[Of course they've snuck into idioms]

Don't forget 親知らず (wisdom teeth) – istrasci – 2011-06-02T02:41:24.843


"remember this: ず can end a sentence, but ぬ can't" ...that's rather untrue. Even the other answer gives correct examples of sentences ending with ぬ.

– macraf – 2015-11-17T11:28:28.763

1I wrote the original usage from classical Japanese, and this is the proper usage you will see in poetry, hymns, etc. written in classical style. Sentence-ending ぬ is not good classical Japanese (except for when the described noun is elided, which was pretty common). The use of ぬ as a replacement for ない is again a different style, still with an old feel to it but not classical Japanese, and not grammatically switched out for ず. Axioplase illustrates it well; you will hear this usage a lot during dramatic anime scenes, etc. – Nate Glenn – 2015-11-18T01:14:37.933


-ぬ is an archaic form of -ない. I suspect its use in song lyrics has more to do with fitting the word into the right number of syllables; as far as I know, there is no difference in meaning.

-ず, on the other hand, indicates that one action took place without or in the absence of another action (the one with -ず). For example, 待たずに先に行く: to go on ahead without waiting.

Amanda S

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Both ず and ぬ came from the archaic negator ず in Heian period. The ず had conjugations ず (未然), ず (連用), ず (終止), ぬ (連体) and ね (仮定), as every Japanese learns in high school today. The ぬ was originally the 連体形 (noun modifying form) of ず.

After that, spoken Japanese lost the distinction between 連体形 and 終止形 in almost all cases. So, now we use ぬ or its variant ん as a sentence terminal form, and the word is officially called ぬ instead of ず. You might know that ん is heavily used in Kansai dialects.

The modern ぬ(ん) is conjugated as ぬ/ん, ×, ず, ぬ(ん), ぬ(ん) and ね. The noun modifying form is still used commonly, and the forms ず and ね are remaining in some fixed expressions such as 〜ず、 (中止法), 〜ずに (=〜ないで) and 〜ねば (=〜なければ).

The archaic ず and its conjugations are, however, still used in poetry and proverbs with the classical grammar. 親の心子知らず and 弘法は筆を選ばず are examples. Anyway, you don't need to use the archaic ず or the modern ぬ when you speak.


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There is a distinction between 'ず' and 'ぬ' as in the other answers, but for the combination with the verbs, there is no limitation, despite your description. I do not understand why you came up with that limitation.

知らず / 知らぬ

分からず / 分からぬ

せず / せぬ

なれず / なれぬ

気づかず / 気づかぬ

届かず / 届かぬ

ならず / ならぬ

とらず / とらぬ

できず / できぬ


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I do not understand why you came up with that limitation. The questioner said "Some examples I have encountered"

– mackygoo – 2017-06-04T07:14:35.527


This is an excellent question. I always think of this and don't know why I didn't think to post it.

Anyway, -zu seems to usually be an adverbial, connective form (often as -zu or -zu ni), whereas -nu seems to be a modifier.

  • 誰も知らずに家に入った - I entered the house without anyone (else) knowing
  • 誰も知らぬ秘密 - A secret that no one knows.

That's just my perception of them up to this point. I actually have a theory about -nu that I really want to research into more.


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So are there rules for choosing between {-ず} and {-ぬ}?

Well, yes. Just look at how they are used, it should be obvious! It's probably something as below:

proposition-verbず(に), proposition.
He rushed into his room without saying hello to his parents.

こういう行為を許さぬ! I won't tolerate such behaviour! (draw out your sword, and slash your opponent for he danced on the table)

言ってはいけぬ言葉は許さない! (draw out your sword, and slash your opponent for he said "sh*t")

You'll see that it's no more that old-fashioned¹ "〜ないで" and "ない".

¹: I don't like the qualification "archaic" for terms/words/conjugations I happen to use :P PS: the two last examples may not be very natural…


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1言ってはいけぬ should be 言ってはいかぬ. – Aeon Akechi – 2015-11-11T21:11:18.463


I came across the ぬ form in this proverb 触らぬ神に祟りなし which was loosely correlated with the english "Let sleeping dogs lie" I hear and use the {-ず} suffix all the time however, so in my limited experience it's more common.


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