What is a reason that handlebars fit to a motorcycle and steering wheel fit to a car?

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What is the reason that handlebars are installed on motorcycles and steering wheels are installed on cars?

Notice that the way to use both handlebars and steering wheels are quite similar, but a steering wheel allows for much more rotation than a handle bar when you control a vehicle.

Please give me a reason why a massive vehicle should use a steering wheel and a light weight vehicle should use a handlebar?

The reason maybe involve scientific reasons, safety reasons or designing reasons.

fronthem

Posted 2015-02-08T09:56:35.350

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Motorcycles and autorickshaws have one front wheel which can be turned by handlebars. They are also lightweight enough. Cars have two front wheels that need to be steered. So you would need a rack and pinion steering.aitchnyu 2015-02-09T08:06:12.090

1Motorcycle handlebars turn the wheel and forks. Car steering needs to turn heavier wheels, suspension etc for a heavier mass. There is leverage involved: turning the steering wheel a full circle turns the tires a small angle.aitchnyu 2015-02-09T08:11:12.387

ATVs or four-wheelers have handlebars and front steering. I think that some tanks also have a handlebar.jjack 2015-02-08T18:55:52.577

I suggest that you carefully examine Dave Tweeds description of how a motorcycle "steers" in other than low speed situations - relatively few people seem to be aware of the dynamics involved and they are essential to a proper understanding of "how a two wheeler works". This is equally applicable to bicycles. At very low speeds it is possible to turn the wheel by "brute force" and you will automatically make such body balance changes as are needed to produce a "steer where you point effect". As speed increases the ratios of the relative forces change and the method Dave describes dominates. ...Russell McMahon 2015-02-11T11:35:55.407

... Here is a simple test which will (hopefully :-)) convince you. Travel on a two wheeler on a level surface at "reasonable speed" say 10 kph+. More is better. Place both palms gently against handlebars - not gripping - just touching. Now move say left hand just away from handlebar and press gently and slowly with right palm against right handlebar. The handlebar will press back against your hand with MORE force than you are exerting and move backwards against your hand and the 'machine' will lean TO THE RIGHT. This is contrary to most intuition or what most people would expect.Russell McMahon 2015-02-11T11:39:56.533

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Actually, handlebars and steering wheels are less similar than you might think.

When a two-wheeled vehicle is moving fast enough to balance, the front wheel is never turned more than a few degrees. The primary mechanism for steering is leaning the vehicle, not turning the front wheel.

For example, to turn right, you actually tug briefly on the left side of the handlebar. This causes the wheels to track to the left of the center of mass, which in turn causes the bike to lean to the right. This lean is what causes the direction to change, while maintaining balance — the total force on the bike's center of mass still passes through the contact patches between the tires and the road. During the turn, the front wheel is essentially straight with respect to the bike's frame, and it's the geometry of how the tires contact the road, aided by slight tension on the right handlebar, that keeps the bike turning.

To come out of the turn, you tug slightly more on the right handlebar (not the left), which causes the tires to track to the right, bringing them into a more vertical alignment with respect to the center of mass. This causes the bike to stop leaning and stop turning.

This is so intuitive when using handlebars, most people don't even think about the details of what's actually going on.

The only time you steer a bike by moving the handlebars by large amounts is when you are moving so slowly that you have one or both feet on the ground (holding the bike vertical) and are trying to maneuver in a tight space.


Additional points in response to comments:

An inexperienced bicyclist at low speeds will turn the handlebar wildly back an forth in an effort to maintain his balance, but I would hardly call that "steering". The main reason a 2-wheeled vehicle stays upright is the gyroscopic effect of the rotating front wheel. If the bike should start to lean, the wheel will experience a force that steers it toward the direction of the lean, which corrects the lean. If the bike is moving slowly, this effect is greatly reduced, and the rider is required to use the handlebar to maintain balance.

Also, on a bicycle, the rider is typically 90% or so of the mass of the system (bike + rider), and an experienced rider can steer merely by shifting his weight without touching the handlebar at all. On a motorcycle, the rider might only be about 25% of the total weight or less, which makes using the handlebar pretty much mandatory.

Dave Tweed

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@ChrisH: see edit above.Dave Tweed 2015-02-08T20:42:31.330

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@DaveTweed - gyroscopic effects have very little to do with balancing on a bike. In one experiment, a bike was designed to negate gyroscopic effects, yet was still quite rideable. Even for hands-free riding, the geometry of the bike is the most significant effect, not any gryoscopic effect.

Johnny 2015-02-08T23:54:58.673

@Johnny: You can't believe everything you find on the Internet. In both of the links you cited, they've completely misunderstood the mechanism of gyroscopic precession. The force generated by the precession caused by the leaning does not act to force the bike upright directly, it acts in a plane at right angles to both the axis of rotation of the wheel and the axis of the lean (which is a horizontal line pointing forward and back). The third axis is the steering axis of the front wheel, and the force acts to turn the wheel, causing the bike to turn into the lean and thereby canceleing it.Dave Tweed 2015-02-09T03:39:05.670

1@DaveTweed: There was also an experiment done with a bicycle with tiny (1 inch?) wheels that was stable. You don't need gyroscopic effect for a bicycle to be stable. You just need to forward rake the front wheel a bit.slebetman 2015-02-09T07:42:42.393

2@DaveTweed Thanks for the edits I could have been clearer but I didn't mean using the handlebars to balance the bike, but (very) low speed steering. Maybe I've spent too much of the last week riding on paths shared with pedestrians, but a quick test this morning + observations suggests that at <~ 5km/h the lean is imperceptible and steering the wheel dominates. By around twice that the lean is dominant but I (no observation for this one) was still steering slightly into the turn. At high speed it's exactly as you said. This may be irrelevant in the original context of motorbikes.Chris H 2015-02-09T09:08:34.077

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@DaveTweed: Gyroscopic effects assist with, but do not constitute stability in a bicycle / motorcycle.

DevSolar 2015-02-09T14:43:25.660

+1 Dave - nice description of dynamics of motorcycle steering. See my comments appended to question.Russell McMahon 2015-02-11T11:40:53.973

+1. This is the idea of "Countersteering".t.c 2015-02-08T15:43:13.213

+1 but certainly on a leg-powered bike an unexceptional rider will balance the bike with both feet off the ground for propulsion and steer with the handlebars at low speeds (up to a little faster than walking pace I would guess). Can you confirm that this isn't the case on a motorbike - or is it just that with no need to pedal it's not necessary?Chris H 2015-02-08T17:36:07.537

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The car, being heavier, requires greater force to steer, which is provided by gearing the steering wheel down so that several turns are required from lock to lock.

There were cars with tiller steering, inherited from yachting practice no doubt (only backwards), where the length of the tiller gave enough leverage instead.

I have no idea how their turning circle compared with their steering wheel contemporaries, or what sort of violence the driver did to a front seat passenger in the process, but the idea didn't exactly seem to catch on!

Brian Drummond

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turning circle can be calculated by drawing a line though the back axle and the front axle at max deflection then measuring how far the vehicle is from the intersection point. In this vehicle it seems to be 2 vehicle-widths away from the near wheel.ratchet freak 2015-02-09T11:37:45.373

If the museum allows you to push the tiller to full deflection...Brian Drummond 2015-02-09T11:41:47.033

It looks to be displayed with the maximum practical deflection for a driver on the left hand sideratchet freak 2015-02-09T11:43:41.247

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When steering a car, depending on the degree of turn, sometimes it is necessary to rotate the steering wheel through a large arc. It is easier to do this using a circular steering wheel, particularly when the wheel has to be turned hand over hand. This cannot be done easily with semicircular steering wheels, aircraft type steering wheels or if handlebars where used.

The handlebars on a motorbike are rarely turned to the maximum arc angles that car wheels are turned. Also, on large radius curves motorbike riders use their body angle to lean into curves to assist steering. Car drivers however, only have the steering wheel to steer the car, moving their bodies doesn't do anything to the steering.

Motorbike riders are exposed to the elements while driving and they must balance on two narrow wheels and sit on a narrow seat. Slight turns of the handle bars can lead to graver consequences for motorbike riders than similar slight turns of a steering wheel in a car.

When holding onto the handlebars the rider forms one apex of a triangle which increases the stability of the rider. If motorbikes had steering wheels riders would not have the same level of stability they do with handlebars. Additionally, trying to steer a steering wheel while balancing on two narrow wheels is asking for trouble. It would decrease the stability of the rider as different muscles in body are used when turning handle bars to turning a wheel in the same plane; particular muscles in the torso.

The standard configuration for mass produced cars is four wheels on the ground, this a stable and balanced configuration. Also, car drivers sit on wider seats, compared to motorbike riders. Cars drivers are in a stable driving situation when they drive. It is easier for car drives to control a car using a steering wheel than it would be if they had to use handlebars.

Fred

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2Add plain mechanical friction. Turn a car steering wheel without power steering when the car is immobile. Getting two wide wheels resting firmly and encumbered by the engine to turn the same angle would require an athlete if not using the transmission which changes much wider turn into smaller. There's no such problem with motorcycles.SF. 2015-02-08T12:08:33.690

I don't believe riders lean in order to make a turn. Rather, leaning is a consequence of countersteering to enter a turn. The angular and linear momentum of a motorcycle at high speeds implies that leaning would have little effect in upsetting the balance of the motorcycle.t.c 2015-02-08T15:47:09.470

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gearing!

The amount of force required to repoint a car's front wheels at low speed is so high that there is a rack and pinion mechanism to allow it to be done by even a low-strength driver.

This isn't an issue with power steering - and there were some cars in the 1950s which had handlebars, HOWEVER it was discovered it was too easy for the driver to unintentionally make violent changes at speed

As with motorcycles, once a car is moving at speed, steering changes are minimal.

For this reason (safety), handlebar steering power-steering systems quickly stopped being used in cars in favour of a geared setup requiring large changes of wheel angle to effect changes of front wheel angle.

Safety is also why push-button automatic gearbox selectors were tried and then dropped. It's far easier to install lockouts on a lever to prevent cars being shifted from (D)rive to (R)everse whilst in motion.

With electronic systems, pushbutton selectors may make a comeback as complex mechanical interlocks are no longer needed and a solenoid will do the job.

It's also possible that with speed-sensitive steering systems and electronic control, a handlebar setup may be safely deployed - however it is so non-traditional that it would probably be a major insurance risk due to drivers making catastrophic errors at speed.

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