Alternative "Higgsless" models would have been considered if the Higgs boson was not discovered

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In the Standard Model, the Higgs particle is a boson with no spin, electric charge, or color charge. It is also very unstable, decaying into other particles almost immediately. It is a quantum excitation of one of the four components of the Higgs field. The latter constitutes a scalar field, with two neutral and two electrically charged components, and forms a complex doublet of the weak isospin SU(2) symmetry. The field has a "Mexican hat" shaped potential with nonzero strength everywhere (including otherwise empty space), which in its vacuum state breaks the weak isospin symmetry of the electroweak interaction. When this happens, three components of the Higgs field are "absorbed" by the SU(2) and U(1) gauge bosons (the "Higgs mechanism") to become the longitudinal components of the now-massive W and Z bosons of the weak force. The remaining electrically neutral component separately couples to other particles known as fermions (via Yukawa couplings), causing these to acquire mass as well. Some versions of the theory predict more than one kind of Higgs fields and bosons. Alternative "Higgsless" models would have been considered if the Higgs boson was not discovered.

-- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higgs_boson

I don't know what to make of the last sentence in bold.

I thought it should be: Alternative "Higgsless" models would have been considered if the Higgs boson had not been discovered". But it didn't agree with the context.

According to PEU1 259.3, maybe it's an example in which "would have done" is employed to talk about present and future situations which are no longer possible because of the way things have turned out.

Please help to clarify this.

1. PEU = Michael Swan's, Practical English Usage.

Kinzle B

Posted 2014-09-25T16:32:27.240

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Strictly speaking, OP's cited text does indeed contain a verb tense inconsistency - the "consistent" form is "X would have happened if Y had happened" (with negations as appropriate).

But it's not a glaring inconsistency (at least, not to me). It's certainly nowhere near bad enough to suggest that the writer is "uneducated", or perhaps not even a native speaker.


To at least some speakers, the Simple Past (happened, as opposed to Past Perfect had happened) is probably more acceptable when the truth/falsity of the condition is unknown. In OP's example we know the Higgs boson has been discovered, but consider these similar usages...

1: "He would have arrived by noon unless he missed the train"
1a: "He would have arrived by noon unless he has missed the train"
2: ? "He would have arrived by noon unless he had missed the train"
3: "At one o'clock I told them that he would have arrived by noon unless he missed the train"
4: ? "At one o'clock I told them that he would have arrived by noon unless he had missed the train"

Personally, I have no real objection to any of the above, but I find #2 and #4 slightly less "elegant" (there's no good reason to introduce the "past within the past" in #2, but there definitely is in #4).

FumbleFingers Reinstate Monica

Posted 2014-09-25T16:32:27.240

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Does it mean I could replace "X would have happened if Y had happened" with "X would have happened if Y happened" in any examples? – Kinzle B – 2014-09-27T02:49:51.440

1@Kinzle: I think in general, yes. But if Y happened probably isn't so good if it's known that Y didn't happen. – FumbleFingers Reinstate Monica – 2014-09-27T04:08:27.853

I find your way of thinking very innovative and distinct; I like it. ^_^ – Kinzle B – 2014-09-27T10:01:07.540

@Kinzle: The first section of my answer (which directly addresses your question) is pretty uncontroversial (it just reflects the don't use Past Perfect unless you really have to maxim). But the second part and my above comment are much more tentative (and subjective).

– FumbleFingers Reinstate Monica – 2014-09-27T12:01:35.537

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The sentence would have been more clear with the proper punctuation:

Alternative, "Higgs-less" models would have been considered if the Higgs boson was not discovered.

In this case alternative and Higgsless are both adjectives.

Mr. Mascaro

Posted 2014-09-25T16:32:27.240

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1-1 because I think it's ridiculous to suggest that the cited version without the comma is in any way "improper". – FumbleFingers Reinstate Monica – 2014-09-25T18:08:42.730

I didn't say improper I just said unclear even though inserting a comma between consecutive adjectives is an English grammar rule. – Mr. Mascaro – 2014-09-25T18:24:59.407

5Although I'm reluctant to pile on by downvoting a post that's already at -1, I see another problem: this answer doesn't really address the OP's issue about the difference between simple ("if the Higgs boson was not discovered") and perfect ("if the Higgs boson had not been discovered") in this context. – snailplane – 2014-09-25T18:32:31.537

3That there comma you gone and inserted don't look no good to me. It makes that sentence all wacky. The punctation in the original version in the OP's post is fine. – F.E. – 2014-09-25T19:15:21.637

@F.E.: That there "wacky" don't look no good to me! But apparently that's because I'm an ole fart!

– FumbleFingers Reinstate Monica – 2014-09-26T03:03:55.237

Inserting a comma between *any* two, consecutive adjectives is *not* an English grammar rule. And these two consecutive adjectives are not ones that need a comma between them. – Peter Shor – 2014-09-26T03:23:10.337

@PeterShor, it has been taught in every grammar text I've ever seen. maybe you're smarter than all of those authors. – Mr. Mascaro – 2014-09-26T12:24:15.543

@jbarker2160: you're looking at the wrong grammar texts. You only put commas between *coordinate* adjectives. See rule 6 of the Purdue Owl extended rules for comments. I quote their examples. "He was a difficult, stubborn child. (coordinate) They lived in a white frame house. (non-coordinate) She often wore a gray wool shawl. (non-coordinate)" You can argue about whether the OP's example is coordinate or not (it's not), but saying you should put commas between any two adjectives modifying the same noun is bad advice.

– Peter Shor – 2014-09-26T14:38:03.147

@PeterShor, how can you say that they are not coordinate adjectives when they are both modifying the same noun and they both mean the exact same thing in this context? – Mr. Mascaro – 2014-09-26T14:45:35.887

@jbarker2160: look at the webpage I linked to. A test for coordinate adjectives: does the sentence sound right if the order of the adjectives are reversed? does the sentence make sense if an and is written between them? You would not say "alternative and 'Higgless' models", and most certainly not "'Higgless' and alternative models". So these adjectives have a preferred order; they're not coordinate, so you don't use a comma. You should note that an "alternative model" does not have to be "Higgless", although the reverse direction is true. This is why they're not coordinate. – Peter Shor – 2014-09-26T14:49:22.350

@PeterShor, In this context "Higgsless" and alternative mean exactly the same thing. So everything you just said that doesn't make sense actually does make sense if you understand the physics of the statement. – Mr. Mascaro – 2014-09-26T14:52:17.597