What does "I’d sit this one out, Cap," imply or mean in the context?

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My friend and I, neither native English speaker, had an argument about the meaning/implication over this sentence:

"I’d sit this one out, Cap," Natasha said.

My friend believed that it means :

"Natasha told Cap that she would not join the fight between Thor and Iron Man, It's his (Cap) turn to do so."

I believe that this is a suggestion as :

"I would sit this one out if I were you, cap", Natasha said.

I feel like it's an omission of "if I were you" in spoken language, BUT I have no idea how this idea comes from.

So which of us is wrong? Or both wrong? Could anyone help to explain the " 'd " in this sentence ?

Here is the sentence in the context:

With Iron Man and Captain America out of commission, the blond warrior grabbed Loki around the neck, and before anyone could do anything about it, he raised the hammer and jumped back out of the Quinjet, disappearing into the storm. “Another Asgardian?” Natasha called from the cockpit.

“That guy’s a friendly?” Steve asked. It was hard to believe.

“Doesn’t matter,” Iron Man said. “If he frees Loki—or kills him—the Tesseract’s lost.”

“Stark, we need a plan of attack!” Steve said as Iron Man stomped toward the open gangway.

“I have a plan,” Iron Man said over his shoulder. “Attack.”

Then he rocketed out of the ship.

Steve was amazed at the speed at which Tony moved. He grabbed a parachute and strapped it on.

Natasha looked at him skeptically. They were thousands of feet above land, the Quinjet was moving at a supersonic clip, and—as far as she knew—Captain America couldn’t fly.

“I’d sit this one out, Cap,” she said.

“I don’t see how I can,” Steve said.

“These guys come from legend. They’re basically gods.”

Maybe Steve was old-fashioned, but he didn’t think so. “There’s only one God, ma’am. And I’m pretty sure he doesn’t dress like that.”

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user86301

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Further information: This is the subjunctive mood. It expresses things that aren't real: possibilities, hypotheticals, wishes, that sort of thing. (The "normal" mood, for things that are real, is called the "indicative".)

"Would" is a modal verb, used instead of "will" to mark the subjunctive. In this example, Natasha can use the indicative to talk about herself:

I'll [I will] sit this one out, Cap.

But she's not saying that. She gives Steve her opinion on what Steve should do. As the asker rightly guessed, she is implying that if she were him, she would not go.

Obviously, Natasha is not Steve. That's why she uses the subjunctive: she is talking about a hypothetical situation in which Natasha is taking Steve's place and making his choices.

I'd [I would] sit this one out, Cap.

The subjunctive often goes together with a condition: "if [condition], then I would...". The reader is expected to do exactly what you did, and guess the unspoken condition that Natasha is implying. We can do this because "if I were you" is a very common idiom used to express opinions like this.


By the way, the English subjunctive is a pain even for native speakers. Unless they've been specifically taught about it, native speakers often don't even know it exists. This is partly because it doesn't have any special form to itself. As well as subjunctive uses, "would" can be a past tense ("when I was young, we would go down to the arcade after school"). And other verbs in the subjunctive mood look exactly the same as their present plural, or past, forms—"were" is an example used above.

I am you. (Indicative)

...if I were you. (Subjunctive)

We were in the Quinjet. (Indicative? Subjunctive? You have to guess from context.)

Tim Pederick

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thank you! :) your explanation makes perfect sense to me, and helps me to win in the argument:) I have guessed it a subjunctive mood, but it's always hard to explain in my own language:D – user86301 – 2019-03-27T08:40:16.327

2I'd like to point out that "would" is not subjunctive. It is "were" that is subjunctive. – chasly - reinstate Monica – 2019-03-27T10:37:10.823

@chaslyfromUK It depends where you live. Where I live "If I was you ..." is correct and "If I were you ..." is weird. In the US the opposite is the case. See https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/be#Conjugation (where they call my English "non-standard". Huh!)

– CJ Dennis – 2019-03-27T11:17:50.170

2@CJ Dennis - Okay but that was not the point I was making. "would" is conditional, not subjunctive in the example given. – chasly - reinstate Monica – 2019-03-27T11:22:34.480

@chaslyfromUK Yeah, my brain's come back from the shops now! – CJ Dennis – 2019-03-27T11:23:51.243

1@chaslyfromUK: The dictionary I checked called it the past tense and subjunctive of "will". I was going to go with "'would' is the conditional attached to subjunctive 'were'", but on the strength of that I simplified my explanation and just called it the subjunctive. You may well be right about its role here, though! – Tim Pederick – 2019-03-27T12:01:51.647

1This interpretation is supported by the response “I don’t see how I can". Clearly, Steve took it this way. – Acccumulation – 2019-03-27T15:37:57.140

2I'm sure at some point in high school or college I learned about the subjunctive, then immediately forgot about it. It's one of those things most of us native speakers learn from constant exposure - we hear it all the time, so we sort of intuitively know how to use it, but have a hard time explaining it to people learning the language. – John Bode – 2019-03-27T15:57:16.443

2@user86301 Maybe your friend was thinking of how "would" can be used to soften disagreement. For example, you could say "I'd prefer to sit this one out" or "I'd rather sit this one out", which mean "I want to sit this one out" but phrased in a pseudo-subjunctive way, with an implied "...if that's okay with you", so it's less like directly contradicting or challenging the person who doesn't want you to sit it out. But that's not what's meant here, because it's just "I'd sit this one out". – user56reinstatemonica8 – 2019-03-27T16:47:39.767

@TimPederick Cats also prefer the subjunctive mood: http://rhymeswithorange.com/comics/june-16-2002/

– nasch – 2019-03-27T17:32:35.690

2@JohnBode my english classes included nearly zero "technical" instruction in the English language, though my teachers were happy to explain errors people made when asked. I learned more about technical English grammar from my French classes. I'm not sure how common that is anywhere else. – mbrig – 2019-03-27T21:21:19.023

@ user568458 ,u got it exactly right. To us, the softening tone/being polite is very hard to be differed from the sentence I quoted. although the subjunctive is easy to detect if the sentence is complete, but when in spoken language, like a nightmare. – user86301 – 2019-03-28T05:00:13.840

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"I'd" means "I would".
So that would surely mean "I would sit this one out if I were you, Cap."

If she needed to simply say that she's not getting into the fight, she could've just used "I will" instead of "I would". Besides, Steve replied to her with "I don’t see how I can." ( meaning he can't), clearly pointing out that she was suggesting him to stay out.

Bella Swan

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1Thank you! :) the tense in English bothers most, since my mother language does not have it. and "would" also means "will" in past tense, right? and "would" also used to refer to a situation that you can imagine happening, as in : I would hate to miss the show.? Anyway, "would" is a complete giant monster in learning. :) – user86301 – 2019-03-27T05:25:01.233

1I agree. I'm helping a friend of mine in learning English, and would is the only word that she gets the most confused with :D – Bella Swan – 2019-03-27T05:27:06.920

@user86301 - "would" works as the past simple tense for "will", as in Yesterday I said I would succeed; today I again say, I will succeed. But that usage isn't all that common; subjunctive / conditional uses are much more common. – Ross Presser – 2019-03-27T20:02:03.527

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"Natasha told Cap that she would not join the fight between Thor and Iron Man, it's his (Cap) turn to do so."

This is definitely NOT the message of the fragment presented.


“I’d sit this one out, Cap,” she said.

with the same meaning as:

"I would sit this one out if I were you, cap", Natasha said.

(your own guess - which is correct)

Judging the sentence, the conclusion is:

  • Natasha has no plan to joint the action;
  • she advises Cap to also not join the action.

I am not entirely sure what is the action:

  • the fight coming (“I have a plan,” Iron Man said over his shoulder. “Attack.”);
  • jumping out of the Quinjet (Captain America couldn’t fly).

Regarding I'd, @BellaSwan made a a good point: I'd = I would.

For the difference between will and would, you may read: Correct usage of will and would.

One you will get the meaning correctly, "would" will stop being a "giant monster".

virolino

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"I’d sit this one out, Cap," Natasha said.

My friend believed that it means :

"Natasha told Cap that she would not join the fight between Thor and Iron Man, It's his (Cap) turn to do so."

I believe that this is a suggestion as :

"I would sit this one out if I were you, cap", Natasha said.

You are right and your friend is wrong. The sentence says absolutely nothing about what Natasha will or won't do. It says what she would do if she were Cap. But she is not Cap so she is not saying anything about herself.

Example

A world champion cage-fighter says to Bob who is not a fighter.

"I would sit this fight out Bob (if I were you) because you would not win. However if I fight I will win."

chasly - reinstate Monica

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