Personal Pronouns and complement of verb be

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Which personal pronouns are complement of verb be?

First example:

A: It was him who broke the window pane.

or

B: It was he who broke the window pane.

Second example:

C: It’s me. Can you open the door? I haven’t got my key

or

D: It’s I. Can you open the door? I haven’t got my key

asr09

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This was addressed on ELU by It was he … / It was him. Basically it's the same as *It is I* vs *It is me*. "Traditional grammar" tells us we should use *I*, but ordinary native speakers almost completely reject this. *Knock, knock! Who's there? It is I* is just about acceptable as a "theatrical, facetious" reply, but the contracted form *It's I* wouldn't be a remotely credible utterance.

– FumbleFingers Reinstate Monica – 2017-09-06T17:37:50.260

See also https://www.xkcd.com/1771/

– rjpond – 2017-09-06T17:40:29.457

@rjpond: Love it! *It was I who allowed people to ignore the "predicate nominative" rule! Me! I allowed it!* – FumbleFingers Reinstate Monica – 2017-09-06T18:32:39.597

Answers

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In general in English, we use "I", "we", "he", "she", and "they" for the subject of a verb, and "me", "us", "him", "her", and "them" for the object. "I asked her", "They asked me", etc.

When the verb is a form of "to be", by the textbook, this is what is called a "predicate nominative", the word following the verb is the subject, and so it uses the subject form. "Who's there?" "It is I." "Who asked for this?" "It was she."

In practice, most English speakers, even the best educated and most fluent, use the object form. "Who's there?" "It's me." "Who asked for this?" "It was her."

So I'd say for very formal writing, like if you're writing a term paper for English class, or an article for a learned literary magazine, use the subject form. For common speech and informal writing, use the object form.

Jay

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1This really is an excellent answer! You've got all the relevant stuff about syntax and terminology, and covered the in principle / in practice issue very nicely. I find it impressively concise and lucid (and I'd be happy to say it's as comprehensive as it needs to be here). – FumbleFingers Reinstate Monica – 2017-09-06T18:29:51.240

Except that there is no rule of English grammar requiring a nominative form where a pronoun is complement of the verb "be". The accusative form is fine in any context, formal or otherwise. As Geoff Pullum says: "If someone knocks at your door, and you say 'Who’s there?' and what you hear in response is 'It is I', don’t let them in. It’s no one you want to know". – BillJ – 2017-09-06T19:05:10.867

This is a nitpick, but the predicate nominative isn't prescribed after "to be" in all situations. Prescriptivist grammar guides say that "I thought it to be him" is correct, and "I thought it to be he" is wrong. – sumelic – 2017-09-06T20:22:59.277

The truth is that the accusative is the default case in English. And I always rely on the rule of thumb 'only use nominative when I really have to'. – user178049 – 2017-09-06T22:39:43.033

1Is "accusative" a helpful term in English? In other languages the term "accusative" tends to contrast with other object cases such as "dative". For the English case system it's more appropriate to say "objective" or "oblique". Formally, the term "oblique" designates all non-nominative cases, but that's probably correct, as I doubt it's really meaningful to regard English as having a "genitive case" any more. It would make more sense to regard 's as a genitive phrasal clitic and "my"/"your" as possessive determiners. – rjpond – 2017-09-07T00:16:54.497

@rjpond I no longer care about terminology since they are too many misnomers in English. If we keep trying to fix them, we'll prolly end up making things more sophisticated. To me, oblique and dative aren't useful terms either. – user178049 – 2017-09-07T00:28:42.153

1@rjpond Don't agree! Why confuse case and syntactic function? The traditional terms 'nominative' and 'accusative' have the advantage that they are much more widely used in the grammars of other languages. And tellingly the nominative is not restricted to subject function (It was I who found it) and the accusative is likewise not restricted to object function (Kim objected to him being given preferential treatment), nor indeed excluded from subject function (For him to go alone would be very dangerous). – BillJ – 2017-09-07T07:32:52.600

@rjpond As for my and your, you seem to be conflating function and word category (part of speech). Both can function as determiners (My father has arrived), but they are not restricted to that function, for example they can also be clause subjects (No one objected to [your joining the party]). The point is that 'determiner' is a function, not a category. "My", "your" etc., whatever their function, belong to the category pronoun (subclass genitive pronoun). – BillJ – 2017-09-07T08:11:55.123

@BillJ There certainly is such a rule in English grammar. I could give you dozens of citations. Here's one, for example: http://www.quickanddirtytips.com/education/grammar/it-is-i-versus-it-is-me As I said and as that writer says, it is a rule that is widely ignored.

– Jay – 2017-09-07T13:27:54.067

@user178049 "only use nominative when I really have to" Well, maybe so. But that's not a very helpful rule as it gives no clue when you have to. – Jay – 2017-09-07T13:29:12.423

@Jay "My friend and I were.." is grammatically correct. But the accusative (Me and my friend..) is usually more idiomatic in speech. That's what I mean. When using the accusative is possible, use it. – user178049 – 2017-09-07T13:49:00.480

@user178049 We're talking here about the pronoun as complement of "be". In your example, "I" is part of the subject and hence the nominative is correct. – BillJ – 2017-09-07T13:55:30.280

@Jay " The traditional grammar rule states when a pronoun follows a linking verb, such as "is," the pronoun should be in the subject case"-Mignon Fogarty. The rule is outdated. – user178049 – 2017-09-07T13:56:07.467

@BillJ I'm aware of that. And the same should be applied here. The accusative is more common in speech, so just use it. "Me and my friend" is also idiomatic in speech if it's not grammatical in your analysis. – user178049 – 2017-09-07T13:59:36.903

@user178049 Exactly. The best we can say about it is that it's a 'proposed rule' that misguided prescriptivists try to enforce, not an actual one. Grammar rules must ultimately be based on how people speak and write. If they don't have that basis, they have no basis at all. People can by all means use the formal nominative "I" if you wish, but you are not breaking some 'rule' by using accusative "me". – BillJ – 2017-09-07T14:04:23.100

@BillJ: I agree with user178049 about the pointlessness of terminology disputes in this area. Amusingly (and confusingly), it seems Omer Preminger has even argued that the term "nominative" would be more fittingly applied to the me, us, her, him, them set of pronouns than to the I, we, she, he, they set of pronouns ("Case in 2017: some thoughts", p. 29)

– sumelic – 2017-09-07T22:32:16.293

@BillJ Your point about case v function has some merit, though your concern seems to be that "subjective" might be misleading if it's not always the subject; yet nor does the "nominative" always name or nominate, and the "present" tense doesn't always refer to present time. Your point about "accusative" being familiar from other langs.' terminology is weak.In fact it seems that "accusative" is very little used by most grammarians of French and Swedish, for example. The term is highly relevant for German, Latin and Greek, but those languages have much more complex grammatical case than English. – rjpond – 2017-09-09T09:25:52.720

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/grammar/british-grammar/pronouns/pronouns-personal-i-me-you-him-it-they-etc. We also use personal object pronouns as complements of the verb be: That’s him. That’s the man I was talking about. (him = complement of be) .: this rule is mentioned on cambridge website. – asr09 – 2017-10-26T00:26:08.003

@asr09 Yes, that's what I was trying to say. By the formal rules, it should be "That is he". But most English speakers (Americans anyway) say "That is him." – Jay – 2017-10-26T16:25:07.440

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There are a few complications to the use of "predicate nominatives".

Ordinary usage

In general, it's safest to use me, us, him, her, them as the complement of a form of "to be". This is the typical pattern of usage in modern speech, even for educated speakers, and doesn't sound notably informal in most cases.

Note that whom, although often classified as falling into the same category as the preceding words ("accusative pronouns") is not generally used in this context. (This is an exception to the typical "replace whom with another pronoun to find out if it's correct" rule.) Sometimes people use whom in contexts where who is more common to add a sense of formality to their speech; however, I would view the use of whom in a phrase like "Whom is he?", "It was whom?" or "I am whom I am" as an error (although opinions may differ: I think I remember reading some comment by BillJ somewhere where he argued that "whom" would actually be more regular).

The use of a "predicate nominative" pronoun is very restricted in contemporary English. My impression is that it is usually only found in the following contexts:

  • before "who" when that word functions as the subject of a following relative clause and is followed by a non-contracted finite verb form. Barry England's answer to "It is I who am at fault?" on ELU cites research associated with the Longman Grammar of Spoken and Written English that found that constructions like "It is I who am.." are still preferred to "It is me who am..." or "It is me who is...". It's unclear how much the preceding form of "be" really has to do with the nominative case in this context, since at least some speakers also feel like the nominative sounds good in sentences like "Let he who is..." where "he" is not a predicative complement.

    The accusative form is also possible in this context. I would imagine there are some frequency-based effects related to grammatical number and person, just as there apparently are for pronoun case after "and" (if I remember correctly, there is more use of "and I" relative to "and me" than there is of "and they" relative to "and them").

    Also, to me the accusative sounds more acceptable before the contraction "who's" than it does before something like "who am": "?It is me who am to blame" sounds pretty weird but "It's me who's to blame" is better.

  • For some speakers, in the fixed phrase "This is she" or "This is he" used to identify oneself at the start of a telephone call.

Prescriptivist rules for the use of the predicate nominative

The prescriptive rules for the "proper" use of the predicate nominative actually have a number of complications and unclear points.

The nominative forms I, we, he, she, they are clearly prescribed after finite forms of "to be" (forms that stand alone as the main verb of a clause, and are inflected for person and number in the present tense). E.g. It is I/It is we/It is he/It is they. The "predicate nominative" also seems to have been prescribed after the "perfect" construction ("It has been I") and after a combination of a modal verb and the bare infinitive be (e.g. "It will be I", "It should be I").

The nominative case is proscribed and considered incorrect by the sources that I am familar with when it comes after a to-infinitive that is preceded by an accusative-case noun phrase.

  • Example: *I wanted it to be I (incorrect). "I wanted it to be me" is considered correct by prescriptive grammar sources because the subject of the infinitive is in the accusative case, so the predicate should supposedly should be put in the same case.

Other contexts involving infinitives and gerunds are more or less unclear (E.g. "I want to be he/him"; "They had no thought of its being I/me"). I asked a question about them on ELU and the answers I got reveal some variation in the prescribed forms. In any case, situations where this makes a difference are pretty rare.

Your example sentences

Honestly, "A" and "B" both sound OK to me. "B" probably sounds a bit more formal. If I wanted to express this idea but I was worried that "B" sounded too formal, I think it might sound better to rephrase rather than just changing the case of the pronoun to accusative. "He's the one who broke the window pane" would express the same idea.

"D" sounds unnatural; I would not recommend it.

sumelic

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