How to prevent heavy rainwater from jumping the gutter?

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During heavy rain, the water collects from my second floor roof and runs onto the first floor roof as it should. The problem is that since all this water is now concentrated from the second floor downspout, the heavy volume causes it to race down the first floor roof and "jump over" the gutter.

Is there any way to prevent this from happening and to what extent is this a normal, unavoidable result of the heavy rainfall?

I've looked at "gusher guards" but was warned that these might cause damage to the gutters once Winter hits from the snow and ice pulling at them. I'm in Michigan, so lots of snow and ice. I've also considered adding an extension to the second floor downspout so the water is dumped directly where it should be, but I'm afraid it'll stick out like a sore thumb and look janky.

Any suggestions? Is there a "standard" way of dealing with this situation?

This is where it starts looking like a deluge

My own personal porch waterfall

Ryan

Posted 2015-08-10T19:02:42.127

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What are those tiles made of? – sharptooth – 2015-08-12T09:04:09.377

4You say, "I'm afraid it'll stick out like a sore thumb and look janky." Not half as bad as the stain on the roof will look after a couple of seasons. No quick fixes will handle this. It needs a proper solution such as others have suggested in their answers. – chasly from UK – 2015-08-13T12:17:28.327

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This is a common mistake, which will lead to premature roof wear. What the installer should have done, was to install an A to B transition elbow, and continued down the roof with a section of down spout. Then used an A elbow to have the water dump directly into the lower gutter.

It should end up similar to this

proper downspout on roof

Allowing the high volume of water to flow over the roof, will damage the shingles and cause them to wear prematurely. Even if you turn the spout adjacent to the slope, it will still cause damage to the roofing. Spreading the flow over the roof in this way, will not alleviate the damage that is caused. In either case, you're allowing all the water shed from the upper roof, to flow over a small section of the lower roof. It's a terrible idea, and should be avoided.

I'm not sure exactly when builders decided to try and save the $10, by not installing the downspout along the roof. But it makes me so sick every time I see it, I just want to climb up there and fix it myself.

Tester101

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1I have to assume that the $10 solution didn't even occur to them when building the home... would you say you've seen more of this sort of "short cut" in the last 10 years than homes built before that point? Undoubtedly the total average skill level of home builders went down during the housing boom. – Jason – 2015-08-10T20:21:01.707

3@Jason Yes, this is definitely a modern "solution". However, I think part of the problem is the uneducated homeowners, who don't like the look of a gutter on their roof. So builders just stopped doing it, which made it a "thing", which other builders copied. – Tester101 – 2015-08-10T20:26:08.017

8That's pretty ugly. Why didn't the installer move the downspout two feet to the right and then mount the down feed on the right side fascia? It would be almost invisible. – Mohair – 2015-08-10T21:19:29.543

1@Mohair I don't know why it was done the way it was, I just grabbed a photo that illustrated my point. – Tester101 – 2015-08-10T21:26:53.340

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@Jason These are relatively new gutters on a 40+ year old home and I suspect it was an amateur job as there are other issues. Like this for example. That PVC extends about 3ft. underground and terminates with no drainage whatsoever.

– Ryan – 2015-08-10T21:36:53.623

I don't really know much about this, so maybe this is a stupid question, but is there a reason it can't penetrate the roof and go through the attic? – Random832 – 2015-08-11T03:40:53.223

@Random832 Roof penetrations are an opportunity for a leak, the less you have the better. If you did go through the roof, you'd have to transition to a different type of pipe (PVC for example). – Tester101 – 2015-08-11T11:28:21.627

1Dammit Ryan has two animated gifs in one question. He is making an absolute mockery of other questions. If only he had an electrical question! – DMoore – 2015-08-12T05:15:45.357

Also I don't know to upvote this or not. There are some caveats I would think about. First you are pouring a lot of water here. Can the low gutters support that - note that some of that water is hopping over which is better than water dribbling over the inside of the gutter. Second thing is that the water and the gutter itself is pushing on the lower gutter. Eventually (maybe a year or maybe 20 years) the lower gutter will start pulling away from the house. And it is pretty ugly - but it is cheap and logical so I like that side. – DMoore – 2015-08-12T05:19:07.010

3@DMoore It might seem ugly, but after a few years without it you'll have a nasty looking wear pattern in the shingles. And that isn't very attractive either. Without completely redesigning the gutters, this is the "proper" solution to the problem, ugly or not. – Tester101 – 2015-08-12T09:03:49.173

I will say this: If you don't point the water to exit into the gutter with the slope, it can still cause issues because of the turbulence it causes. – Evil Elf – 2015-08-12T15:54:46.770

@DMoore As much as I would love to see an animated gif of electrical problems, I'd be scared to record one myself. "It throws sparks when I try to ... Zap! Poof!

– brichins – 2015-08-13T14:52:49.850

Or more appropriately this one (but I didn't find it in time). I'm sure are actually great examples of electrical-related gifs, but this is what initally comes to mind :)

– brichins – 2015-08-13T15:03:15.290

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This is caused by:

  • poor roof design
  • poor gutter installation

Since it's not cheap to fix the roof, the solution is to fix the gutters. You simply need larger and/or repositioned gutters. The catch is if you also have heavy snow loads. In that case, you also need strong, well-installed gutters. :)

In this case, since it's really only one spot, I'd probably suggest having the second floor downspout connect to a downspout that runs along the first floor roof, out past the gutter and then down it's own downspout. So you'd take the entire load of the second floor water directly to the ground instead of trying to dump it into the first floor gutter.

DA01

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Could you turn the end of the downspout 45-90 degrees so the water exits across the roof slope, rather than down it? This would help distribute the downspout flow across more roof area.

Not sure if that's a standard approach, but it seems quick and easy to try, and easy to undo if it doesn't work

Drew

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I think this is a really good idea! I'd probably go 45 degrees. – DA01 – 2015-08-10T19:16:22.067

To take this a step further I have seen shields on roofs. You would just basically just install a shied under the downspout. The shield would have a couple of small holes and might be 4 feet long. So water goes through holes or around shield. – DMoore – 2015-08-10T19:19:27.597

@DMoore I think your thinking of rain diverters that you put above doors when there's no gutters? I was thinking that too, but I'd be worried about all the back splash generated from the amount of water coming out of that gutter. Might cause water issues elsewhere. – DA01 – 2015-08-10T19:20:51.263

3A rain diverter would make a really bad friend with some ice damns since he lives in snow/ice territory. – Dano0430 – 2015-08-10T19:42:01.310

1This may prevent the water from surging over the gutter, but it will not prevent damage to the roofing caused by the large flow of water over it. – Tester101 – 2015-08-10T20:10:36.247

8This sounds like potentially a bad idea. Roof tiles are designed to cope with water flowing down the slope of the roof. Making water flow across the slope could direct the water under the tiles. – David Richerby – 2015-08-11T13:26:26.540

2I have to concede some of the points made here. Even at 45 degrees, you're pushing a large amount of water water sideways possibly forcing it under some shingles. – DA01 – 2015-08-11T17:10:19.610

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Were it me, I'd consider a 'janky' looking roof much better than premature shingle failure due to overload.

Run a section of downspout across your roof and dump it into the existing gutter, angled in the direction of flow, so that the water doesn't splash into the gutter at a 90 degree angle, but joins water already headed for the downspout.

TX Turner

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I had a similar problem caused by the lower gutter being overhung by the roof too much. There was only actually about 1/3 of the gutter 'visible' for rain from the roof to fall into. It was resolved by repositioning the guttering. (In our case that was relatively trivial as the guttering was mounted on extendible brackets fitted to the rafter feet).

Tim Croydon

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I don't have enough rep to comment, so in the form of an answer: I fully agree with Tester101. You need to protect the lower roof from a large flow of water in a narrow space and incorporate the elbow at the end to bring it into the gutter.
I have a copper tile roof and did something similar to protect it. The differences in my approach were: I used an open channel PVC length (like a length of PVC gutter - may have been something else originally) instead of a length of downspout on the roof itself. This avoided contact of alumninum gutter with copper roof that could lead to electrolytic corrosion and a disappearing roof. It also avoided, or greatly reduced, the risk of a blockage in the section on the roof due to either dirt and leaves or to ice.

JKEngineer

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The easiest thing would be to get a piece of L metal maybe a foot or 2 long and tuck it up under your lowest shingle. Use a little mastic to keep it in place. When the water hits the L metal sticking up it will go right or left gently into the gutter. If you don’t like the look of that you could raise the gutter up and possibly get the next size larger gutters. I have actually ripped an inch or so off the back of gutters so I could get them up a little higher particularly on steep pitched roofs

user76730

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I have taken these or these to alleviate a similar problem. You would just be tweaking your gutter on your own. You can push up on the gutter and put the screw or bracket in. The hope is that you would be able to do this enough so that the angle of the roof points straight into the wall of the gutter rather than over it. Though my first go would be a 90 degree elbow so that the water spreads out over the roof more. It's standard on new construction around me. It seems to work okay.

Dano0430

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