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I supervise a student who is working on her bachelor's thesis. The problem is that she has not delivered anything, never asks for any help, and when I offer her some help she claims that she understands and she will work on it. But nothing really happens afterwards. We (me and my supervisor) talked to her multiple times in different 'intervention'-like sessions, with no success. Now it is the end of the semester and she has done no more than 10% of her assigned tasks.
Also, she never delivers what I ask for, even the most basic of things. For example, all students are supposed to hand in their time plan within two weeks of their work, but she has never handed it in, despite my (and my supervisor's) repeated requests. Not only does handing in a time plan help to keep track of one's work, it is also part of our grading scheme. And she knows about that, since we are very transparent about how grading of the thesis works, by giving the students our grading excel sheet before they even sign up for a thesis with us. Nevertheless, she didn't bother handing a time plan in.
All the other students in our institute have their final presentations next week, and even though she knew of it, she was asking for an extension. When I refused that via email (I saw no reason to give her an extension), she just dropped in, claimed that she is not prepared for a final presentation, and that I have to give her an extension and so on. I eventually gave her an extension, because she was extremely stressed and not in normal conditions, was almost breaking into tears, and most importantly made a scene in the institute hall. I played a little tough though, by asking her to give me an exact delivery date within two days.
I have even asked my colleagues and fellow PhD students multiple times if they think there is something wrong with my supervision of her, but they always assured me that there is nothing wrong with that and it's about her personality/character (we have a very transparent culture in our group, so we criticize each other openly). Also, my former students gave positive feedback to my adviser regarding my supervision. I even made my supervisor ask her privately about quality of my supervision, and she gave him positive feedback!
Moreover, she also has an exercise class with me, and she was the only student playing computer games on the lab computer instead of working on her exercise. She knew that I (her thesis supervisor) can see her, but she didn't bother. That, I have to say, was the last nail in the coffin.
Given this background, I already know that she cannot (will not) deliver, no matter how much time I gave her. Thus, she will almost certainly fail her thesis. But on the other hand I feel very bad failing a student in her first big project, especially since if she fails she will probably need to study one more semester to finish her studies.
Now I am struggling with these three options:
- Wait for two days, and if she doesn't give me an exact delivery date (which she probably won't), just give her a fail grade.
- Give her an extension for ten days or two weeks, and then grade her based on what she delivers eventually, which most probably is a fail grade anyhow.
- Give her a longer extension, long enough for her to pass the thesis.
I would be glad if anyone can give me some recommendations on how to deal with this situation.
PS: For all people asking if I was allowed to give her an extension: Of course I was. Otherwise I would have a very good reason for refusing her request. In our university supervisors have lots of freedom in how they want to deal with their students.
1Aren't there rules for extensions in your institution? I think I could not just decide to extend the time for a bachelor thesis, the student has to apply for that officially. Well, that for the "technical" part of you question. Practically I just wanted to add some advice my supervisor gave me when I was worried about a student (who did not fail in the end): You gave your best, it is not your fault! – skymningen – 2015-05-29T09:06:52.170
75From the wording of your question, I'm not sure whether you are in part blaming yourself for the failure – don't. You and your supervisor have tried hard to help, but it seems she is simply unwilling to make the effort. The student may be failing, but you have not failed the student. – Moriarty – 2015-05-29T09:37:10.880
19This sounds so much like what I went through. I say cut her off at the next opportunity, I knew exactly what I was doing, I was lying to myself and the school every time I said that I would get it done and because my teachers allowed it I kept it up until I had a complete breakdown. – r_ahlskog – 2015-05-29T10:30:32.613
7If she has already done so little in your class that she is already set up to fail the entire course, why would you consider an extension for her final project? – Zibbobz – 2015-05-29T13:33:23.950
6To an extent I can sympathise with the student - I got a 1st in the end for my Master's dissertation (this was a year or so ago), but I fell short of my supervisor's (very high) expectations, resulting in a long whinge from him, and I was really struggling with the work, partially down to me not enjoying the topic as much as I thought I would and also because I seemed to be depressed at the time.
Has it occurred to you that your student might be suffering from mental health problems or extenuating personal circumstances that may be preventing her from achieving as well as she could have been? – omegaSQU4RED – 2015-05-29T15:48:15.837
5@omegaSQU4RED From the way this student's conduct was described, I wouldn't give them that much benefit of the doubt - they clearly can show up to classes, have repeatedly been offered help without accepting any of it, and made no mention of any extenuating circumstances, which should be mentioned before they become an issue, not after the fact. – Zibbobz – 2015-05-29T17:33:30.973
1@Zibbobz so what does a supervisor/faculty member think of someone like this? Do they regard them as generally incompetent, or someone to whom academia is not well suited? – omegaSQU4RED – 2015-05-29T17:58:39.480
15@omegaSQU4RED It's not incompetence, but laziness, that appears to be the problem here. The person is not mature enough to self-motivate for deadlines, even when grades are on the line. In a class, that's grounds for an F. In the real world, that's grounds for firing. This is a reality check. In school, you can retake the class. In the real world, once you're fired, it's over. – Compass – 2015-05-29T18:56:51.003
3Unless the student proactively requested special accommodation (extension) and explained circumstances, I see no reason to give her special treatment. This seems unfair to all the other students who had to abide by the deadline in order to receive a respectable grade. We never know what goes on in other people's lives. Perhaps she is dealing with serious personal/family issues, or depression, causing serious academic difficulties. However, it remains her responsibility to be aware of and address consequences. If there is no effort, the grade should reflect that. This seems fair, if unpleasant. – A.S – 2015-05-29T21:09:37.303
41This is someone who is going to fail repeatedly in life. The best thing you can do for her is to let her fail her thesis, because that might be a wake-up call she needs. If you pass her when she doesn't deserve it, you're moving her one step closer to a real world she isn't prepared for. – user45623 – 2015-05-29T23:20:50.780
3Are you sure you were even allowed to give the extension? I would be extremely surprised to see a syllabus which permits course staff to change due dates on a whim, let alone for a thesis... – sapi – 2015-05-30T01:39:00.817
2"You can lead a horse to water but you can’t make him drink". – Taladris – 2015-05-30T10:58:14.260
5It seems my free 100 rep isn't enough to meet the 10 rep requirement here, so I'll post this as two comments. I was always a problem student, in ways like this. School had always been tremendously easy for me, I'd never really been challenged, and I'd long since learned that I could get away with not trying. I almost never attended courses at any level. I'd manage to get an A in a course anyway, or someone would bail me out in some way, etc. I now have a Ph.D., thanks in large part to professors bending over backwards to accommodate me for whatever reason (my potential, I suppose). – zibadawa timmy – 2015-05-30T21:08:47.167
15... I don't think I've earned that degree and have no confidence in myself or my field. I am gifted by a great intellect, I'm sure, but I simply did not acquire the skills I feel I was supposed to, and I was permitted to get away with this. Most likely I and everyone else has been done a disservice by this, and I suspect I could have ended up better if more professors had taken the correct stance and stood firm against letting me get away with slacking off and under performing. I'm in a long and difficult struggle to overcome these problems I created, now. Do her a favor: fail her. – zibadawa timmy – 2015-05-30T21:12:57.097
8During a class in college, a girl barged in and begged the professor to let her retake a midterm (from a different class he taught). He said no. She gave tons of excuses about how stressed she is, she's overworked, didn't have time to study, couldn't sleep; she even began crying in front of the entire class. He still said no. She exclaimed, "Every other professor has let me do it!" to which he replied "Then they are teaching you the wrong lesson." I'm sure she hated him after that, but every other student really respected him for it. – BlueRaja - Danny Pflughoeft – 2015-05-31T23:12:34.390
I have been mentoring some students with time issues (have trouble keeping deadlines as such), similar to dyslexia. Perhaps if this is diagnosable, the university can provide a mentor similar to what I was for some students. – Per Alexandersson – 2015-05-31T23:46:54.870
@BlueRaja-DannyPflughoeft The thing is, if it happens once it could be a breakdown, which is horrible but it happens to really smart and dedicated people. Where the student you mentioned went wrong was to rely on that multiple times. – kleineg – 2015-06-01T17:56:02.393
3"if she fails she will probably need to study one more semester to finish her studies" - Seriously? Is that the worst consequence she can expect? She will still have the chance to successfully finish her bachelor's? Dang, go and let her fail! And fail hard. Have some of that open communication with her and make clear why she failed. – JimmyB – 2015-06-02T10:57:59.233
1It sounds like you have been very tolerant and fair with her. You've offered to help, you've given her an extension she really doesn't sound like she deserved. In real life, an employer would not be anywhere near this tolerant with her, so you'd be a favour by failing her so hopefully she will learn that you can't get through life without putting much effort into meeting obligations. However, I am concerned that there might be other things going on in her life, addiction, depression, etc., if you could get her to speak to a psychologist, etc. to find out if that is the case it would be good. – Kmeixner – 2015-06-02T21:13:02.153
I don't think it matters which option you choose. 99% chance you are going to have to fail her. Considering this, I would go with the last option. This way when she does fail, you gave her every opportunity and the only one she can blame is herself. Give her a very long extension, maybe another month or even two. Set a date, give it to her verbally and in writing. Make no further attempts to help her unless she comes to you. If by some miracle she does complete it in time. Even if it is perfect I would give her nothing higher than a barely passing grade. – Justin Ohms – 2015-06-03T05:45:48.723
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Perhaps emotional blackmail worked on her parents and/or her high school teachers, but I can't see any good reason why you should allow it to work on you. This business of playing computer games one moment and "almost breaking into tears" the next sounds insincere to me, and would cut no ice at all - and butter remarkably few parsnips - here in the world of work.
– A E – 2015-06-03T15:44:34.510As much as I would shun giving F on thesis (in my opinion, that's what I is purpose-built for), this one's not gonna pass. Gonna have to give that F sooner or later. – Joshua – 2015-06-05T03:05:37.813
@Joshua While the meaning of an incomplete grade can vary from institution to institution, the general meaning is that the student was unable to complete work essential to the evaluation of their final grade due to situations entirely outside their control (roughly, "no fault of their own", but not being overly pedantic about it). Being hospitalized for a month is a pretty good reason for an incomplete. Being irresponsible for a month is not. A grade of Unofficial Withdrawal may be more accurate here, though if she attended even sporadically then it's not really appropriate. – zibadawa timmy – 2015-06-10T02:26:44.077
1Normally I'd agree with zibadawa here (despite having taken I due to my own error [but F would have been clobbered anyway so it was less pain on everybody]), thesis is not going to be done in one semester and ought to be given as much time as needed so I I I CR (or a letter grade if you assign letter grade to thesis) is the expected sequence. – Joshua – 2015-06-10T02:32:39.110
@Joshua Fair enough, though "as much time as needed" always comes with some caveat. They're not going to give you 8 years worth of tries. And I would want to consult the handbook and department on whether "shows no reasonable expectation the work will be completed in a reasonable amount of time" still warrants an incomplete. I would think not, but I suppose it may be considered okay to give at least the first incomplete regardless. – zibadawa timmy – 2015-06-10T12:12:41.907
Update request: What did you do? How did this turn out? – MDMoore313 – 2015-11-25T00:04:47.267